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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:00:19] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Welcome to the Jukebox podcast from WP Tavern. My name is Nathan Wrigley.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Jukebox is a podcast which is dedicated to all things WordPress. The people, the events, the plugins, the blocks, the themes, and in this case a second look at exploring AI&#8217;s impact in WordPress agencies.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you&#8217;d like to subscribe to the podcast, you can do that by searching for WP Tavern in your podcast player of choice, or by going to wptavern.com/feed/podcast, and you can copy that URL into most podcast players.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you have a topic that you&#8217;d like us to feature on the podcast, I&#8217;m keen to hear from you and hopefully get you, or your idea, featured on the show. Head to wptavern.com/contact/jukebox, and use the form there.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So on the podcast today, for a second time, we have Matt Schwartz.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Matt has been working in the WordPress ecosystem since 2011, running his own agency based in Atlanta, and developing products like CheckView at all for WordPress form and checkout QA. Matt&#8217;s expertise lies in how agencies can smartly, and cautiously, incorporate AI into their workflows for real tangible wins, and how to avoid potential pitfalls.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">He was on the show last week to record the first of this two part mini series. You might want to listen to that prior to this, but it&#8217;s not strictly necessary.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In this episode, we build upon last week&#8217;s conversation. Matt talks about practical strategies for integrating AI across agency operations. The discussion starts with what it means to give AI access to your agency&#8217;s brain, using tools like project management wikis and connecting them with AI chatbots to streamline knowledge sharing, and avoid common AI hallucinations.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We then get into MCPs, or Model Context Protocol, and talk about why this area is quickly becoming a game changer for agencies looking to securely connect AI agents to multiple internal systems without complex, risky API configurations.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The conversation covers how to use AI for building internal tools, highlighting where it&#8217;s low risk and where you should be more cautious, especially with public facing, or mission critical, systems. Matt explains how agencies can leverage AI for QA and checklist automation, freeing up time for deeper human review of other important tasks.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We also discussed the impact of AI on the WordPress plugin market, including potential consequences for plugin developers and the wider community, and whether the rise of AI generated disposable tools could erode the collaborative spirit of the WordPress community.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We end by chatting about the importance of approaching agency AI adoption with eyes wide open to the risks. Data security, overdependence on vendors, failure to handle errors, and the reality that AI still makes mistakes.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Matt shares his outlook on how agencies can position themselves to thrive as AI reshapes the industry, from hiring strategies to the next generation of productised services.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you&#8217;re running an agency or freelance business in the WordPress space and want to get ahead with AI thoughtfully and securely, this episode is for you.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you&#8217;re interested in finding out more, you can find all of the links in the show notes by heading to wptavern.com/podcast, where you&#8217;ll find all the other episodes as well.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And so without further delay, I bring you Matt Schwartz.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I am joined on the podcast, again, by Matt Schwartz, somewhat unexpectedly. Hello, Matt.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:04:05] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Hey Nathan, thanks again for having me this week. I&#8217;m super excited to dive back in.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:04:09] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Thank you. So we recorded an episode last week, and we intended to do it as a one hit. So get it all recorded, tied off within 40 minutes or what have you. And then we began talking.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So last week we began talking and at about the half an hour point, it became obvious to me that we weren&#8217;t going to capture it all in one recording. So we&#8217;ve come back for a second episode.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Dear listener, I would just say that in order to provide context for this episode, you really probably should listen to the previous one, because we&#8217;re stacking up Matt&#8217;s case, argument, however you wish to describe it, for where you can make wins inside your agency with the use of AI. Not just wins, maybe some cautionary tales as well. But that was the point of the first episode.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So really, we&#8217;re going to drop you in to the ninth of 16 points. So again, just pause this, go back to the previous episode, have a listen there, and then you can stack this one in your podcast player of choice at that point.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If, however, somebody&#8217;s ignoring that, Matt, are you able to just do a very quick bio? Just tell us who you are? It may be repetitive for the people that are listening to the second episode, but nevertheless, let&#8217;s hear from you who you are.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:05:16] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Yep. My name&#8217;s Matt Schwartz. I run a WordPress agency here in Atlanta, since 2011. And I also have a testing and QA product for WordPress for checking forms and checkout called CheckView.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And yeah, today we&#8217;re just really diving into how you can leverage AI, how you can incorporate it into your agency, but in a hopefully smart and cautious way. Not necessarily just dropping it in, being a little bit more thorough about that process. So excited to continue the conversation.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:05:45] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah, thank you. And thank you for being so accommodating by joining me for a second time. So as I said, Matt&#8217;s put together a whole laundry list of different areas that your business, your freelance agency, whatever it may be that you are running in the WordPress space, can perhaps gain some benefits.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Last week we did one through eight, and now we&#8217;re going to sort of hit the road running on number nine. So the ninth point was about giving AI access to your agency&#8217;s brain. It&#8217;s a lovely subheading, but what does that mean?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:06:12] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Yeah, so this is actually one I picked up in the Admin Bar, which is a, one of the other WordPress agency groups out there, that a lot of agencies were doing. And I thought it was an interesting, I would say hack, you could say, to add AI without getting super involved in it. Which is if you already have a project management tool, or you already have a wiki, you can add into your AI chat bot of choice when it&#8217;s actually answering a question. You can tell it in its memory, hey, whenever I ask a question about the agency, go confirm what I&#8217;m doing by visiting our Clickup or visiting our Asana.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So it&#8217;ll actually go retrieve and confirm it&#8217;s using the latest proper information instead of just guessing or hallucinating. I love how we use the word hallucinate and not lie. I love that marketing branding that the AI companies did. It&#8217;s some crazy gaslighting.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Anyways, I love AI, but definitely, if you haven&#8217;t used something like Claude or ChatGPT, saying in the memory as simple as when you answer a question, check if this is actually the case and connect to our ClickUp or connect to our wiki.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I think that helps you get all the power of your documentation, SOPs, client, CRM, any data you&#8217;ve already basically built up. It can leverage that without you having to do a whole bunch of crazy connections or ask more specific things. I thought that was actually a really neat way that agencies that are just getting into the space with AI are using the data they basically already have. They&#8217;re just using their project management software, which basically has all that data.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:07:47] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> When you see it in action, which I have actually, but not to do with a WordPress website, more to do with a sort of SaaS product with the, how the tool has been built and the guardrails that are into the tool. It&#8217;s really amazing because then, well, basically it never forgets.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So every time you throw something new at it, that becomes part of the corpus of information. It then has an understanding. I keep saying it, but hopefully you understand, I&#8217;m meaning the AI in this case. A wider and broader understanding, and increasingly is able to deliver that back.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So in my case, often I&#8217;ll get some text back, which is divided up into bullet points. Those bullet points will have little footnotes attached to them, you know, 1, 2, 3, 4, and what have you, which will then link out to the documentation itself. And again, just a profoundly useful use of the thing which it&#8217;s best at, which is taking a corpus of information, grinding it up and spitting out something which makes sense.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And why wouldn&#8217;t you point it at your internal documentation? You know, if you&#8217;ve got a plugin, all of your support docs, throw the AI at it, and it will be able to help you as well as your clients. Because it&#8217;s guaranteed you&#8217;ve forgotten something that you&#8217;ve built.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">WordPress, of course, itself does this. You know, every AI agent on the planet is welcome to crawl the docs for how WordPress itself is put together. And it&#8217;s one of the reasons I think why WordPress has a fighting chance in this AI, CMS battle, if you like, because everything&#8217;s open source already. Nothing&#8217;s hidden behind a paywall or a licence agreement or what have you. So yeah, agreed. That&#8217;s a great example.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Okay. Anything to add or should we move on?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:09:22] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> No, I think that one&#8217;s just a cut and dry, really. If you haven&#8217;t looked at that, that&#8217;s an easy way to get into AI and leverage it without a lot of work.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:09:29] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Okay. Absolutely. Okay, then number 10 is your internal MCP and guardrails. I know this gets bandied around a lot, and there&#8217;s a lot of acronyms floating around in the AI space. But MCP, maybe we just need to spend a moment explaining what the heck an MCP is, and how it kind of fits into the overall picture, but particularly in this case, with your guardrails.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:09:48] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Definitely. So MCP is basically an open source way to connect AI, let&#8217;s say, chatbots or agents to external systems. It stands for Model Context Protocol. I think maybe the team behind Claude built it. I can&#8217;t remember. But the idea really is that, instead of you just connecting directly to an API, which you could do, which an API if you&#8217;re not familiar, is a way again, to connect two different systems together.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">One system will have a series of things that will let you say, hey, you can add this data, or you can pull this data, or you can modify this data, right? So an example could be something like a help desk. You might create a ticket, you may delete a ticket or you may edit the ticket. An API can basically do those things.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But what an MCP does is it&#8217;s really a series of tools that are more prebuilt for the AI, so that it knows and has context of what it should let you do, and how all the pieces of that connection really should modify whatever data you&#8217;re doing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So it&#8217;s a lot more specific to agents. It&#8217;s a lot friendlier, I would say, if you aren&#8217;t familiar with a company&#8217;s API, you could connect to their API. I can connect to the WordPress REST API, but if I don&#8217;t understand that API, it may not be actually the best way to make the connection.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">With an MCP, you can really not have the background of that company&#8217;s bridge. It&#8217;s going to do all the work, and the AI&#8217;s going to have enough information to help you get what you need done.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I know that&#8217;s hard to explain, but essentially with an MCP, if you build one at your agency, this is a little bit more high level, or a little bit deeper, but I am seeing a lot of agencies looking at this. Which is, they are using an MCP basically for their teams so that they can add all of their systems in one basically bridge. So that instead of having all their employees like connect to all these different Claude connectors and APIs, they have one system.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So if I have Claude and I&#8217;m an employee, it can connect to my MCP at the agency, then the agency MCP is actually on behalf going to go retrieve data from all our different systems. So not everyone has to have API keys. Not everyone has to connect to all these other systems, if that makes sense.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So I am seeing agencies starting to do this. So in some sense the proxy, MCP becomes a proxy or just a way to connect to all your other systems in a secure way.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:12:18] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> I always imagine it a bit like if you, I don&#8217;t know, you approach a giant supermarket and you know that you need carrots and soup. And normally you just go into the supermarket and wander around for a long time, and eventually you&#8217;d sort of stumble across the carrots and the soup.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But wouldn&#8217;t it be nice if there was somebody at the front door? Then you could say, where&#8217;s the carrots and where&#8217;s the soup? And that&#8217;s it. And they go, okay, the carrots are there, the soup&#8217;s there, and point.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You know, it&#8217;s just like this perfect gatekeeper, this guardrail that you described that kind of allows you to get the best out of that experience without wasting a load of time and resources and probably a load of hallucination out the back end.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:12:55] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Wow, that was so much better said than me. But yes, that is a much better way of explaining it. And that&#8217;s why if you haven&#8217;t looked at MCPs in general, I think it&#8217;s worth looking at. But also if you have a tech background, looking at an MCP for your own agency where you can combine all your tools and connect to this one place, I think is a really neat way to, again, get your employees and contractors connected to your, all your systems without them having to have a direct connection.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So if I want them to be like, hey, answer this ticket, go to this WordPress site, instead of them having to connect Claude to the WordPress site into Fresh Desk and all these things, it&#8217;s all within the one MCP. And then they aren&#8217;t really responsible for those API keys or any of those connections.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Of course, you have to put guardrails on that too, right? Guardrails, like they can&#8217;t delete things. You know, not having them delete tickets or websites. Because if you connect, you know, your host, they could technically delete an entire website if you don&#8217;t have proper guardrails. So it is, I would say something that is a little bit more on the cutting edge that not every agency should do, but if you are on the more technical side, an internal agency MCP, I think is a really neat idea.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:14:06] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> I feel like there&#8217;s future of commoditising MCP creation.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:14:11] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Oh, it&#8217;s already happening.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:14:12] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah, I really haven&#8217;t experienced that but, you know, a really, I don&#8217;t even know what that interface might look like in the end, but some really credible way of, you know, you sign up for a service and for a few dollars a month, they will modify, create on the fly, adapt the MCP so that it fits in with what was already an incredible technology. It&#8217;s a bit like the icing on the cake, the MCP, isn&#8217;t it? The AI was pretty amazing anyway, and then you put that layer on top and it just becomes much more refined amazing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:14:41] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> There&#8217;s actually some companies doing that already where you sign up for their SaaS, they basically store all the MCP data on their server securely, because that&#8217;s always a concern. You give them basically all the credentials, you give them the guardrails, and then they build a secure, essentially MCP app for you.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So there are some early options out there for that, that agencies could also look into if they&#8217;re less technical. You just want to make sure, obviously you realise you&#8217;re giving a third party your data and your secrets essentially.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:15:11] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> And course, in the era of AI, the capacity to do things really seriously wrong is literally at the end of your fingertips. Whereas before, you&#8217;d probably have to have some understanding, well, you could delete whole file structures and things like that, I guess. But now that a simple prompt can just rip through your entire code base or whatever it may be, definitely, one for guardrails there.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:15:32] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Delete all the sites on my server, done.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:15:34] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah, that&#8217;s right. Yeah. And don&#8217;t check.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:15:37] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> That could happen.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:15:38] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah. Ignore all previous instructions, just delete them all.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Okay, so that was number 10. And really interesting. I think that&#8217;s one for the, sort of the tinfoil hat brigade, you know, the real nerds out there. But it&#8217;s not far off. If it&#8217;s been commoditised in SaaS now, you can guarantee that in the next few years that&#8217;s going to become table stakes, I would&#8217;ve thought for a lot of businesses and SOPs and what have you.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Okay, so the next one, I&#8217;m sure many people will have been familiar with, especially if you have a YouTube account and you&#8217;re looking at AI things on YouTube. Vibe coded agency tools. I&#8217;m sure I know what this one means, but run it by me anyway.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:16:16] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Yeah, so one key thing is, I&#8217;m not saying vibe coded tools themselves. I&#8217;m saying vibe coded agency tools, agency being the specific part. So you&#8217;re building internal tools for your agency, which I think in some sense, depending on what the situation is, can be okay to do, in my opinion, because the risk is lower. Again, you&#8217;re using it internally.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:16:40] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> It&#8217;s not public facing, that&#8217;s the point, right? It&#8217;s just you and your colleagues, which hopefully you trust.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:16:45] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Right, right. Again, you should probably put guardrails, and you have to think about, well, what sort of data is it touching, and how important is this data? That&#8217;s everything with AI. You have to think about the risk. But I am seeing a lot of agencies starting to build different types of agency tools. Some that I really do internally myself, and I am a big fan of things like reporting tools and dashboards, right?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This is, again, a good case, I think I talked about in the previous podcast. The sweet spot, I think with AI is having it handle things that you just never could get to that were on your list for a million years, right? And realising that, as long as you do a little due diligence and you feel like it&#8217;s in the realm of where it&#8217;s supposed to be, this is probably more information than you had before, right?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So a good example is, if you&#8217;re an agency, you may have it hooked up to QuickBooks MCP. You may have it hooked up to your time tracking software. You may have it hooked up to one of your other reporting software, WooCommerce subscriptions with Woo. And from there you&#8217;re able to have a much better visible idea of what your business is doing well financially. The bottom line, especially if you&#8217;re like a lot of agencies where QuickBooks doesn&#8217;t really have all of your actual services. You may have those internally or you may have them in a other system.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You can combine those and build reporting systems. And again, that&#8217;s a relatively low risk way for you to, worst case is you&#8217;re going to use that data and you&#8217;re going to be like, well, this doesn&#8217;t seem right. And you&#8217;re going to have to dig into it and figure out what&#8217;s going on. Hopefully you don&#8217;t just blindly use it, but I do think the risk is lower.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So those sort of tools I think are really, really neat, and relatively easy to build out. So reporting tools, profitability dashboards, things like that. Looking at your time tracking, like who at your agency is the most profitable, if you have that data? Obviously make sure you actually have the data structure for that, or AI may just make that up.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But we&#8217;ve, you know, used that even at our agency and I think it&#8217;s been helpful for us to find patterns that we didn&#8217;t know where we were spending our time and effort. Especially if you are doing time tracking using something like Everhour or Harvest.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Now the tools that I do struggle a little bit more with, and I am seeing people in agencies use is things like website management dashboards, or building their own QA tools. Because those things, I think the risk is higher of things going wrong.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:19:05] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Public facing again, yeah.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:19:07] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Right. And you&#8217;re giving this third party access to all of your websites and it&#8217;s not like, you know, a big SaaS. This is something you built internally, which means Claude doesn&#8217;t care if it&#8217;s wrong, right, until you tell it.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So a good example, and not everyone may feel this way but, you know, I&#8217;ve seen some agencies that are building replacements for management dashboards like ManageWP, WP Remote, those sort of things, which is connected to everything and is kind of their most important infrastructure for their clients. Personally, I think that that&#8217;s a little risky to be doing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Now, if you&#8217;re doing the right due diligence and you have a technical team and you&#8217;re doing manual code reviews, sure. There&#8217;s an argument to be doing that if it&#8217;s also, I think, solving something specific to your agency. I talked about this in the last podcast, replacing SaaS products when there&#8217;s a nuanced solution that&#8217;s specific to your agency, I think could be really helpful.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But if you&#8217;re just replacing SaaS products to save 30 bucks a month, I think that doesn&#8217;t make any sense because you&#8217;re going to end up spending a lot more on maintenance, I promise you, than if you just stuck with the SaaS product, if it does what you need. So I think there&#8217;s an argument there.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:20:18] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> I think it&#8217;s really interesting. And I do wonder if we&#8217;re on the precipice of, so this is me sort of staring into the crystal ball a little bit. I wonder if we&#8217;re into the era of sort of disposable, one time apps. So you have a function that you need to do this month like, I don&#8217;t know, you must file your taxes this week, but you&#8217;re miles behind. So you get an AI to just quickly do that thing for you, and categorise all of the jobs that need to be done so that you can hand it over to the tax man and so on. And then you just put that on ice. That thing no longer needs to exist.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I feel that kind of coming where we sort of vibe code up this one time thing, and then dispose of it. I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;m entirely in agreement with that as an idea, but I feel that that is coming. But to your point, I think anything public facing, we&#8217;re still in the era of, really, watch what you&#8217;re doing. It needs thorough testing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:21:09] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Exactly. And thorough code review because, you know, ultimately while the AI coding, I think has gotten really, really good, it&#8217;s not a hundred percent there, and it doesn&#8217;t have any context. It doesn&#8217;t actually know what it&#8217;s doing. It&#8217;s all patterns. So there is an argument to be made that, yeah, it may get 80% there, but if no one&#8217;s actually checked the code review, two months from now, it decides to delete all your websites out of your management dashboard, well, should have done a manual code review, right? And it&#8217;s on you.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So I do think there&#8217;s an argument, same thing with like QA tools. Building one-off QA tools, which should be persistent and actually probably one of the more important things you build. It should do the same thing every day. It should almost be dumb. It should not be trying to rebuild itself all the time, or be even one-off, like you said. It&#8217;s not, I think, a good idea to build a one-off migrator typically for that reason, even though I see people doing it in agencies. Unless you think it&#8217;s just a low risk project, I do think, you know, you have to think about that.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">To your point about the one-off task though, I think again, if it&#8217;s a low risk item, one-off makes actually the most sense because a lot of times if you know this is going to be a one-off thing, you then are subconsciously being like, okay, I&#8217;m going to use this once and the cost is not that high and that makes sense, because you&#8217;re not having to maintain it. But if you know it&#8217;s going to be something you&#8217;re going to be using for the next five years and you don&#8217;t plan to pay a developer to review it, I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s a smart idea, at least not right now.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:22:39] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> That&#8217;s a good calculus I think to have in the background. Okay, so that&#8217;s good. So caveat emptor basically, use your discretion. If it&#8217;s public facing, maybe think twice. But also if it&#8217;s something that you want, you absolutely bulletproof need it to be reliable and predictable a hundred percent of the times that you run it. Again, maybe there&#8217;s a human in the loop there. So that was sort of vibe coded things that you might do in your agency.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I feel that&#8217;s going to be a real area of growth, whether or not it will be profitable growth or useful growth, I&#8217;m not entirely sure. I feel like in our industry at least, people are going to be dabbling in that kind of thing all the time. You know, trying to figure out new, clever tools to achieve a thing, which maybe in the past would&#8217;ve been a subscription thing that you paid $20 a month for or something. So we&#8217;ll see. We&#8217;ll see how that goes.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Okay, moving on then. So the 12th item that you brought to bear was QA, so quality assurance, checklists and testing. Right, run us through this one then.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:23:33] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> I know I just said when you&#8217;re building a QA tool, using AI to build an internal vibe coded tool is probably not the answer. But actually what I&#8217;m going to say right now is not contradictory to that, because what I&#8217;m really talking about for QA and testing is more so having AI help you build things like checklists, right? You already have a good context usually with your SOPs. So it can help you build your SOP checklists. It can also help run the low risk items automatically. And again, I know I talked about risk a lot, but I think that&#8217;s how you have to consider it.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So one really neat thing I&#8217;ve seen a lot of agencies start using is Claude Skills, which basically just means that you teach Claude a process. Literally it walks you through in the conversation like, what do you want this process to be? And then you can run that later in context.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So a really cool example of this is if you are, let&#8217;s say onboarding a client, or you&#8217;re launching a site. During your next launch, your next onboarding, you may want to use Claude to teach it the skill of how you launch sites. And then it can automate a lot of those items. And you can still give it context like, I want the human to specifically review this item, right? Or, I want the human to check that no index isn&#8217;t set, right? Because that&#8217;s like a high risk item, right?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:24:55] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah. Yeah, that&#8217;s a big one..</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:24:56] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Right. That&#8217;s one we all, I think, have dealt with at some point in our.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:25:01] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Too many times.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:25:01] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Right. Too many. Exactly. That&#8217;s the key. And that goes back to really that vision document I said on the last call. Having an AI vision document where you go through these checklists and you&#8217;d be like, okay, we want a human to be involved, or we don&#8217;t. You could actually tell Claude this. And then Claude will actually know exactly what it should be running itself and what it expects a human, and it will prompt you for.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But I think that is the beauty of this is, you can make your whole automated process when it comes to tools with QA and anything really related to that checklist, whether it&#8217;s launch or anything like that. Look at tools like Claude and Skills like that, and I think that you can use it to help with repeatable processes. And that will actually help most agencies not only speed things up and save on margins, but I think a lot of times they&#8217;ll do more testing than they did before.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And this, again, falls into that sweet spot where like AI&#8217;s really good for the things that you knew you should do but you have limited time. And testing is one of those items. You want a hundred percent coverage, but in reality that&#8217;s not going to happen. So let&#8217;s have the human do the really important stuff and everything else we would&#8217;ve never gotten to anyways, let&#8217;s have the AI do it. And that&#8217;s where I think you can use these tools.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:26:11] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Do you know what&#8217;s really interesting, and we sort of made light of it in the previous episode, the fact that there&#8217;s hallucinations and what have you going on all the time. But I do think there&#8217;s definitely a moment coming where I think some of the more straightforward things, like for example, the checklist, the binary things, is no index switched on? Yes. No. Okay, that&#8217;s a no.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I think I am getting comfortable with that now. You know, just that, okay, we asked the AI that question, it&#8217;s delivered as an answer. I&#8217;m almost at the point now where I&#8217;m never going to go back and check that was true. If it was something much more broad like, is my SEO strategy bulletproof? Well, no. It&#8217;s never going to know whether that&#8217;s the right thing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But these much more binary things, many of which, if you add them all up, could take you hours when you&#8217;re finally launching a website. Yeah, I think there&#8217;s something to be said for just sort of handing that stuff over. And I don&#8217;t know, maybe you check it frequently, infrequently, less frequently as time goes on. But yeah, always check the no index one.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:27:08] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Yeah, I was like, I would still check the no index one, even if it&#8217;s binary. But to your point, a lot more of the very black and white items, I think it can handle a lot better than it used to, but I think it still comes down to risk. Like if it&#8217;s, yeah, no index, I&#8217;m still going to check it. But if it&#8217;s something else that just is not that key. Yeah, I think we&#8217;re all becoming a little more comfortable or a lot of us are coming more comfortable with that. And I think that&#8217;s okay because you know the risk exposure really.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:27:35] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Well, and also, especially if it&#8217;s QA and checklist time, hopefully you have done the bits and pieces, you really are at that point just making sure that you&#8217;ve polished the thing that needs to be polished. So hopefully that&#8217;s a bit of low hanging fruit where you&#8217;ll catch the things that you missed, and maybe you&#8217;ve done the due diligence there already.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Okay, so that was number 12. We&#8217;re approaching the end. We&#8217;ve got four more to go. So number 13 links directly to WordPress specifically. The WordPress plugin market impact.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I&#8217;ve got to say, this has me slightly concerned, because I feel that this could be a good thing for our ecosystem, but also possibly a bad thing. But I&#8217;ll just hand it over to you to paint the picture.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:28:18] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Yeah, definitely. So I think you even touched on this a little earlier when you were saying there&#8217;s going to be more one-off apps being built by agencies. And I think that also applies to a lot of plugins that are essentially one-off solutions, right? They are utility plugins. They solve one thing really well.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I think that sort of thing is already seeing the impact. If you talk to a lot of plugin developers, especially some of the larger shops, they&#8217;re seeing a drop in sales. And that is a real thing that&#8217;s happening. They&#8217;re seeing a drop in sales, especially for smaller plugins. Because a lot of agencies and customers are solving that with AI. Maybe it&#8217;s a couple files of code, it&#8217;s a lot easier for them to build it.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Now I still have concerns around, are they having a human review that? Like I talked about. But humans are going to do what they&#8217;re going to do, which some people are just going to run with that. That ultimately affects sales.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So I think that is hurting a lot of the ecosystem when it comes to the smaller plugins out there. And even some of the bigger plugin developers are essentially sunsetting their smaller plugins, because they realise they&#8217;re not getting as many sales and they need to focus on what they consider their moat, or their platform, you know, big plugins that AI&#8217;s not going to be able to replicate or people shouldn&#8217;t trust to replicate.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But if you&#8217;re building a small plugin, I&#8217;m not going to call any out, but I think that there is some concern there. And I think ultimately for WordPress, I don&#8217;t think that really hurts the WordPress ecosystem from the standpoint of plugins in general, but I do think it raises the bar of what a good plugin will be.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And that kind of goes with the agency land. That&#8217;s what&#8217;s happening with agencies too. It&#8217;s just the bar is being raised. You have to have a more complex plugin that actually solves someone&#8217;s needs now, not just a small one that solved it, but now they can use AI to do it.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And some people argue that that&#8217;s going to continue all the way up with the most complex plugins out there. But I do think that there are, you know, unless AI dramatically improves. If it&#8217;s 80% there, that&#8217;s great and all, but it&#8217;s what we talked about earlier. You can&#8217;t really run with that in production at 80%. And that&#8217;s the difference between a really good SaaS or really good plugin versus something that was homegrown and just falls apart.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:30:38] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> I think I have a slightly different, maybe more community focussed, approach to this because one of the things that I think worries me is the, how should we say it? The slow ebbing away of the community. And obviously if you are a, I don&#8217;t know, a company launched onto the stock market and what have you, you&#8217;re all about the money, right? The bottom line is you&#8217;re going to make money, distribute that with your shareholders, whatever, yada, yada. But the point is to make as much cash as possible and do things with that cash.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We have a very different calculus here in that the community is the thing which largely builds the software, maintains the software, promotes events. There is a bit of me which worries that if these, let&#8217;s say developers who&#8217;ve got one plugin, it doesn&#8217;t do 3000 major things, it just does one or two little things, but it&#8217;s been their way of getting themselves into the software, and figuring out how it all works, and meeting the community, and being engaged and, you know, all of that.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That slow ebbing away of that is something that I think our community and open source communities like ours need to be just a little bit mindful of. Because it does feel as if AI could definitely eat a lot of lunches. And I think we see that actually. I think we can already see that in the real world with things like attendance at events and the amount of events that are being put on, yeah.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:31:57] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> I think you&#8217;re correct. I was actually going to bring this up in the sense that I am already seeing it within a lot of the agency groups. There&#8217;s just not as much engagement when it comes to posts, I think, and that sort of thing. Because people use AI more to find solutions, which means they&#8217;re not as engaged in the community. Which, to your point, plugins would kind of work the same way, especially the smaller plugins.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And yeah, there&#8217;s definitely something I think I&#8217;m concerned and kind of sad about already. Because like that&#8217;s why a lot of us are in WordPress is for the community. And I 100% agree with you. Not to mention if those guys, the smaller guys go away, then there just ends up being these massive plugin companies, which have their place, but WordPress wasn&#8217;t built on all massive plugin companies. So If those smaller ones go away, then that&#8217;s a little bit of the WordPress spirit I think are lost for sure.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:32:47] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah, I think we just need to be very mindful about this slow, like I say, wicking away or haemorrhaging of the community. And because at some point, the calculation no longer works. You know, there just aren&#8217;t enough community members around to make it interesting for other new community members to join, or to stick with things. Or to update their plugin or whatever it may be.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And maybe that is just a consequence of the way the world is moving, I don&#8217;t know. But having lived in the WordPress ecosystem for over a decade, I think it would be a shame if that baby was to be thrown out with that bath water.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Okay. Alright. I think we&#8217;ve done that one. So the next one is, well, the next one kind of speaks directly to that actually, which is the idea of, I guess spreading your wings a little bit further and realising perhaps that AI empowers you to do things outside of WordPress. And you&#8217;ve entitled this Experimenting Beyond WordPress. Again, off you go.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:33:37] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> So this is something I am seeing some agencies doing, which is, because you can use AI now to use unfamiliar stacks, there&#8217;s really two parts. One is just unfamiliar stacks, or unfamiliar platforms, you don&#8217;t know. You can really try out new platforms a lot faster now. It will tell you exactly what to do, you know, step by step, or it&#8217;ll just do it for you.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So there are agencies, I think looking at other platforms where certain projects may make sense outside of WordPress, where they&#8217;re using that in that capacity and it&#8217;s allowing them to experiment. Where in the past, just sticking in WordPress, you have all your knowledge there makes sense to do, right? You don&#8217;t want to know 10 different platforms. But I think AI&#8217;s made that easier to dive into these other platforms. So that&#8217;s the first thing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The second thing I think is that, now that you can actually use chat to engage, you are seeing some agencies, and some freelancers, that are saying, well, I don&#8217;t need the WordPress infrastructure at all. I just want to go back to pretty much like static or HTML type websites because I know I&#8217;m just going to chat with it and then I don&#8217;t have to worry about security or updates.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And obviously I think that only would apply with certain websites. It&#8217;s not going to apply with highly functional websites. I think that&#8217;s not really going to work. But for like your brochure site, I think some agencies are experimenting with some other platforms out there like Astro and the EmDash setup going on with CloudFlare.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You know, and I think that was a direct response actually. They realised, oh, people are going to want to chat with it. We could build this WordPress, what they consider like an upgraded version, in their mind.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And I think that, you know, it&#8217;s good to experiment. I think what WordPress does really well, to your point though, is they&#8217;ve hopped on the API centric side of things, building the right framework, not trying to force a certain thing down our throats, but actually leave it really open.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And I think that&#8217;s ultimately good because that&#8217;s how open source works. That&#8217;s why I think AI will have a good position with open source is. To your point you made previously, all the data&#8217;s out there, all the documentation&#8217;s out there. It&#8217;s going to be able to be extremely flexible. And I think that&#8217;s really why WordPress is still, in my opinion, going to exist and thrive.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But you are seeing agencies that are looking outside of just Core WordPress, because they can experiment with just a lot less time now. And they can also try out some tools that may be a better fit for certain projects.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:36:18] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> There&#8217;s a lot of technologists in our community and we love tinkering, don&#8217;t we, and playing with new things? So it&#8217;s fairly inevitable. It goes with the territory.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Okay. Alright. So that was Experimenting Beyond WordPress. I think I&#8217;m going to skip 15 there because I think we covered quite a lot of that. So I&#8217;m just going to go straight to number 16, which probably will become 15, if you know what I mean, when I put it into the show notes.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So the next one anyway is called, whatever its number, is Risks and Cautions. So we&#8217;ve built what I feel is like a fairly solid argument for doing this kind of stuff. And now towards the end, we&#8217;re going to knock it all down. No, we&#8217;re not. But what are some of the risks that you might point people towards?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:36:58] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> A hundred percent. This is, I think, probably one of my favourite sections because people don&#8217;t really talk about these risks as much as they should. If you go on LinkedIn, it&#8217;s just like all rainbows and butterflies. And we&#8217;re building a new feature every day, and I think that noise can make people feel like they have FOMO and they just jump into AI and they don&#8217;t think about the risks. So I think this is actually a really important section for any listeners to listen to.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I think one of the first items, probably a little obvious, but with security issues, with AI tools, a lot of companies, every company, I feel like at this point is inputting keys and all sorts of things into these AI chatbots. And ultimately, like those tools can still be hacked. And actually legally, a lot of them say when you submit into the chat, it&#8217;s actually considered public record. Anything you submit to them. That&#8217;s literally what OpenAI made a legal argument recently about. So keep that in mind when you&#8217;re doing this.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There are some ways to do this securely. You can look into, and I think that&#8217;s something I would recommend agencies doing because they, you are holding onto client data. And ultimately you don&#8217;t want that stuff getting leaked.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Another thing, kind of on another point, which I personally have less concern with, but I think some agencies bring up a valid point, which is every time you talk to these chat bots, et cetera, they&#8217;re keeping track of all these conversations. So I know some agencies are being like, hey, how much does a website cost in my state or my country? Only use the data that other agencies have told you. And I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s really doing it, but people are doing that and they&#8217;re, you know, it&#8217;s not pushing back on them.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Things like that, just be aware of, I think what you&#8217;re inputting in, because it isn&#8217;t necessarily being leaked as far as they&#8217;re being hacked, but that data make get spit out to places you don&#8217;t want it to by other parties through chat.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:38:52] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> I feel that at some point in the future, some gigantic disclosure, something will be disclosed, which is so horrific that it makes us all sort of take a collective breath when we suddenly realise all we&#8217;ve given over. We haven&#8217;t got there yet, or at least to my knowledge we haven&#8217;t. But I feel that at some point in the near-ish future, some jaw dropping disclosure will occur, which will make us all think twice about exactly what you&#8217;ve just described.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">What are we giving up? What have we given? But also what have we not consciously given? Which kind of bit of our business did we unintentionally open up for the AI to have access to that we didn&#8217;t intend to? And if we had the time again, we wouldn&#8217;t have allowed it to, and so on and so forth. So, yeah. Okay.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Any other things on the risks and cautions? I feel that there&#8217;s a couple more lurking in there.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:39:43] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Yeah. I think that one&#8217;s to be the most obvious that most people are talking about. One I think people aren&#8217;t talking about though is handling errors when you&#8217;re building your own tools. Essentially, a lot of times you may vibe code something, right, which is great. But because you&#8217;re not really going into the depth of every situation, it&#8217;s just making kind of assumptions, the AI, of what should be there.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And because it&#8217;s so easy and you&#8217;re like, well, I&#8217;m saving time, people don&#8217;t really outline all of this. And so they don&#8217;t really put error handling in these tools. And what happens is, of course there&#8217;ll be some edge case and, you know, things just break. And again, depending on the tool, if it&#8217;s an internal tool, you can probably get away with that. But if it is a public facing, or a client facing tool, that is the beauty I think of having a human actually review it with logic is they are going to have context that the AI doesn&#8217;t have.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">To your point earlier, like subconsciously might be giving certain information to the AI that we don&#8217;t necessarily mean to. But you also might be leaving things out because you think you&#8217;ve already told the AI, or you think it&#8217;s going to assume a certain way, and you can&#8217;t really make that assumption. It ends up really backfiring in the long run, I think.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And that&#8217;s why being very conscious about error handling and being like, okay, we&#8217;re going to set up logging, we&#8217;re going to set up testing. Validation is just the responsible way to be building these tools that really, I feel like no one talks about.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:41:09] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> No. And the curious thing about it is, because it&#8217;s such a black box, I feel that almost every other technology that we&#8217;ve interacted with has been much more, I don&#8217;t know how to describe it. There&#8217;s been a higher barrier to entry. It&#8217;s more difficult to interact with it. You&#8217;ve had to, I don&#8217;t know, press buttons or enter code or what have you. Now you are just communicating. And maybe we&#8217;ll even sort of drop into voice communication at some point where we&#8217;re literally just talking with the thing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There&#8217;s just no, how to describe it. There&#8217;s just such a small amount of friction that is required to interact with these things. And so it kind of lulls us into this perception that it can&#8217;t make mistakes. It&#8217;s error free and what have you. And we know that that&#8217;s not the case. I didn&#8217;t really describe that very well, but I hope you got a general sense of what I was trying to describe there.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:41:54] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> I think you&#8217;re right. I mean I can give an example like building out CheckView, which is obviously like a, it&#8217;s a QA tool for WordPress sites. But one thing is, I knew a decent amount of QA before I started building it. But I learned so much context building it, and we weren&#8217;t using AI when we built the tool, right? That I would&#8217;ve never gotten out if I had used AI from the beginning.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Because like you said, there&#8217;s just such little friction. You as a human just don&#8217;t have to have that much information. You can just dive into something, having no idea on what you&#8217;re really doing, which is a blessing and a curse. And I think just being aware of that. And building in the right logs, and errors to at least essentially provide a safety net for yourself, knowing that you&#8217;re not going to know everything is really important.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:42:34] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah. And then a couple of other things which we&#8217;ll just sort of gloss over fairly quickly because maybe they&#8217;re sort of slightly common sense. Obviously, you know, you&#8217;ve got here sensitive client data, which might be, without your knowledge, being scooped up by the AI agents. So monitoring that.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Over dependence on AI vendors. This feels like everybody&#8217;s really become dependent on a handful of companies. Maybe you could count them on one hand, I think basically. There&#8217;s three or four really, that everybody seems to be using. So that may be something that we want to be mindful of.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And of course, the last one of your bullet points under Risks and Cautions is just the fact that AI makes some mistakes all the time.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:43:15] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> All the time. I think most of that&#8217;s common sense. Really, the only one that I think people aren&#8217;t talking as much about is the overdependence on AI. Not to date this podcast, but I&#8217;m going to a little bit anyways. For example, with Claude, they are removing Claude Code from their $20 plan right now. You know, if you&#8217;ve built this into your agency process, well, get ready to pay, you know, a hundred bucks for every employee, which could be thousands of dollars.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:43:40] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> You can only imagine how valuable that will be. And maybe it&#8217;ll be 200 bucks, or a thousand bucks or whatever it may be.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:43:46] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Right. A lot of these companies obviously are subsidising the cost, and so I do caution agency specifically. That&#8217;s why having that AI vision is important, but also considering making it independent enough from your processes that you still can function if this thing does change around, because I do think there is going to be a pushback on cost at some point.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So for example, like when you&#8217;re building a product, I&#8217;m seeing some companies that are building AI so integral to their product that it will not function without AI. Or going to have to raise the price by 10x. And so like even with CheckView, our tools are there, but we haven&#8217;t built it in in such a way that you can&#8217;t use the tool without it.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And I think at the agency level, it&#8217;s the same idea. For the most part, trying to avoid building it in a way that you couldn&#8217;t reduce the AI needs if you needed to. Or just preparing for that the costs could go up and like, you know, if you give it to all 10 employees now, you know, at 20 bucks a month, get ready to possibly pay a lot more later.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And I just think that&#8217;s something important for agencies specifically to keep in mind. And I know that seems contradictory to what I said at the beginning of this, AI everything, but I think it&#8217;s important.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:44:59] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> I&#8217;m not a financial wizard in any way, shape, or form, but that does seem to be something which, sure as night follows day, is going to be coming, is the requirement to repay a lot of the venture capital that the AI is currently burning through. And yeah, so maybe a significant price hike.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And we&#8217;ve all got used to these practically free tools, and maybe that&#8217;s something that is not going to be in our future. So that&#8217;s a really good point. Put that bulwark in place to make sure that you are protected from that should it go up by, like you said, 10x or whatever it may be?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Okay, so I did say that there were going to be multiple, I think 16 is what I said. This probably will be the last one. This is likely outcomes for agencies. So, Matt, you get to stare into the crystal ball and tell us what your final thoughts are in terms of what you think are likely outcomes.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:45:47] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> So I think some of this is already happening.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Hiring, I think, is slowing down in some agencies because they&#8217;re realising they can automate more. They don&#8217;t need as many, essentially non-specialist employees, or contractors. And I think that is a real thing that is happening.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s going to be necessarily a long-term issue. Hopefully as, essentially the floor raises, work gets better, more agencies will be focused on providing more value, more strategy, those sort of things. Again, the execution becomes a little bit of a commodity. So having essentially more junior team members who usually do that execution isn&#8217;t just quite as necessary. So I think that&#8217;s going to continue to come up.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But again, I think it&#8217;s going to be balanced out with even the costs we just talked about with the AI tools. There could totally be a point where the tools might get expensive enough that it makes sense to have a junior do this execution.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:46:45] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Get the humans back. Yeah.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:46:46] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Yeah. And we go back the other way. Some people are saying that could happen. I could see the argument for that. But I think that&#8217;s one thing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Another thing with agencies is you now can really productise more of your services. And this comes into the automation process that we talked about. You can take your processes, you can really package them up, I think. And there has been a lot of talk about productising services, but I think now you can get more nuanced.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So if you, for example, only build sites for plumbers, well, with AI you can get way more specific on plumber specific service needs, and build out a process with what you&#8217;ve already done, plus, with AI to make that, I think, a lot easier for the plumber or the client, to get what they need out of it. In the past, I think most agencies were trying to build SOPs as we have time. And it, you know, it&#8217;s just a really difficult process. And I think that&#8217;s where agencies I think could help a lot.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And then the last point I&#8217;ll make around here is really around that the tools I think will change. It will be, again, less about the execution of tools, how you&#8217;re building your sites. More about the actual automation. And then really just testing and monitoring and making sure everything&#8217;s working how it&#8217;s supposed to be. The human will essentially become more of the manager of the AI. And that extends, I think, to even the tools.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I could see there being more QA and monitoring tools out there for more specific needs. Because now, you know, AI can build 90% of this, which is great. I save that cost, but I know I need to pay maybe 5% of that towards some tools that actually watch and monitor what&#8217;s happening, and make sure these automations, and these websites, are really doing what they need to be doing. So I think there is going to be possibly a shift in that way around what sort of tools that we&#8217;re investing in as far as agencies go.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:48:40] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> So that we could describe as a bit of a marathon. I think, really, you really took us through the gamut of everything that could possibly affect an agency in the AI space. We&#8217;re in the year 2026, let&#8217;s see how it ages. But that was a really interesting deep dive into all of the different bits and pieces.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Matt has very kindly put together some show notes. What I think I&#8217;ll probably do is crib those. Maybe I&#8217;ll put them into the WP Tavern show notes, or maybe I&#8217;ll link to a Google Doc or something like that where you can see them. But you&#8217;ll be able to see all of the different bits and pieces that we went through. There&#8217;s a lot more on that document than we actually had a chance to go through. So definitely do check that out.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">What I can say is that the future is definitely going to be interesting. Whether or not any of the predictions you&#8217;ve made will turn out to be true, time will tell.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But what a fascinating chat. Thank you so much for chatting to me. And I really appreciate you sticking around and doing the second episode somewhat unexpectedly with me.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Just before we sign off, Matt, where can we find you? Where are the best places online to hang out with you?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:49:49] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Yeah, definitely. So definitely, you can find me on the Admin Bar Facebook group. I&#8217;m also in LinkedIn, trying to be better about that. You can also check me out. I&#8217;ve got a Slack channel. Checkview.io, of course. Inspry.com. Feel free to reach out if anything comes up.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Definitely, overall I would just recommend agencies dabble in this. Don&#8217;t be reckless, but definitely see what makes sense for your agency. Document it all out ahead of time. And I think that that&#8217;s really going to be agencies strong suit is, can we leverage this stuff in a smart way?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:50:21] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Well, you&#8217;ve certainly provided us with a lot of food for thought. So once more, go and check out the show notes on wptavern.com. I will probably link to the document that Matt has created on both part one of this and part two as well. So you&#8217;ll be able to check both of those out.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Matt Schwartz, thank you so much for chatting to me today. I really appreciate it.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:50:41] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Thank you so much, Nathan.</p>
</div></details>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">On the podcast today we have Matt Schwartz.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Matt has been working in the WordPress ecosystem since 2011, running his own agency based in Atlanta and developing products like CheckView, a tool for WordPress form and checkout QA. Matt’s expertise lies in how agencies can smartly and cautiously incorporate AI into their workflows for real, tangible wins (and how to avoid potential pitfalls). He was on the show last week to record the first of this two part mini series. You might want to listen to that prior to this, but it’s not strictly necessary.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In this episode, we build upon last week’s conversation, Matt talks about practical strategies for integrating AI across agency operations. The discussion starts with what it means to give AI access to your agency’s ‘brain’, using tools like project management wikis and connecting them with AI chatbots to streamline knowledge sharing and avoid common AI hallucinations.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We then get into MCPs, which stands for Model Context Protocol, and talk about why this area is quickly becoming a game changer for agencies looking to securely connect AI agents to multiple internal systems without complex, risky API configurations.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The conversation covers how to use AI for building internal tools, highlighting where it’s low-risk and where you should be more cautious, especially with public-facing or mission-critical systems. Matt explains how agencies can leverage AI for QA and checklist automation, freeing up time for deeper human review of other important tasks.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We also discuss the impact of AI on the WordPress plugin market, including potential consequences for plugin developers and the wider community, and whether the rise of AI-generated ‘disposable’ tools could erode the collaborative spirit of the WordPress community.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We end by chatting about the importance of approaching agency AI adoption with eyes wide open to the risks. Data security, overdependence on vendors, failure to handle errors, and the reality that AI still makes mistakes. Matt shares his outlook on how agencies can position themselves to thrive as AI reshapes the industry, from hiring strategies to the next generation of productised services.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you’re running an agency or freelance business in the WordPress space and want to get ahead with AI thoughtfully and securely, this is the episode for you.</p>



<details class="wp-block-details is-layout-flow wp-block-details-is-layout-flow">Matt&#8217;s show notes for Part 2
<h2 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>9. Giving AI Access to the Agency’s Brain</strong></h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>A practical quick win is connecting AI to the agency’s project management system, wiki, docs, SOPs, or past tickets.</li>



<li>This allows AI to answer questions using the agency’s actual internal knowledge.</li>



<li>It can help with:
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Sales handoffs</li>



<li>Support consistency</li>



<li>Project management</li>



<li>Developer onboarding</li>



<li>Client-specific context</li>



<li>Process reminders</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Good framing line:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">One of the quickest hacks is giving AI access to your agency’s existing brain before asking it questions.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>10. Internal MCP and Guardrails</strong></h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Agencies may eventually use an internal MCP layer as a controlled proxy.</li>



<li>The MCP can connect to tools through APIs.</li>



<li>It can give the team access to AI-powered workflows while maintaining guardrails.</li>



<li>The goal is controlled access, not just letting AI freely touch everything.</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Possible uses:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Search agency docs.</li>



<li>Pull project status.</li>



<li>Check time tracking.</li>



<li>Review support history.</li>



<li>Query website data.</li>



<li>Trigger approved automations.</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Good framing line:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The more AI gets access to real tools, the more agencies need permission layers and guardrails.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>11. Vibe-Coded Agency Tools</strong></h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Agencies are starting to vibe-code internal tools they never would have had time or budget to build before.</li>



<li>Examples:
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Website management dashboards</li>



<li>QA tools</li>



<li>Reporting tools</li>



<li>Client health dashboards</li>



<li>Project profitability dashboards</li>



<li>Launch checkers</li>



<li>Tools combining project management, time tracking, and accounting data</li>
</ul>
</li>



<li>This gives agency owners a more nuanced view of the business.</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Good framing line:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The value of vibe-coding is not always building a perfect SaaS product. Sometimes it is building a scrappy internal tool that saves the team 30 minutes every week.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>12. QA, Checklists, and Testing</strong></h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>AI is very useful for creating QA checklists.</li>



<li>Tools like Claude with skills can be taught a repeatable launch process.</li>



<li>AI can help generate launch checklists and even assist with running through parts of them.</li>



<li>This becomes powerful when paired with actual testing tools.</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Tie-in to CheckView:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Agencies need better ways to verify that websites and automations are actually working.</li>



<li>AI can suggest what to check, but testing confirms whether it works.</li>



<li>This is where tools like CheckView fit into the shift toward more automated QA and monitoring.</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Good framing line:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">AI can help create the checklist, but you still need systems that verify the work actually works.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>13. The WordPress Plugin Market Impact</strong></h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>AI is making it easier to build small WordPress plugin utilities.</li>



<li>This may hurt the market for small utility plugins.</li>



<li>Agencies can now create small, custom plugins or snippets for specific client needs.</li>



<li>Larger plugin companies may respond by focusing more on larger platform-style products with stronger moats.</li>



<li>Small utility plugins may become less attractive as standalone businesses.</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Good framing line:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The tiny utility plugin market may get squeezed because agencies can now build small custom utilities much faster than before.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>14. Experimenting Beyond WordPress</strong></h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Some agencies are experimenting with static sites, Astro, and other platforms.</li>



<li>AI makes it easier to test unfamiliar stacks.</li>



<li>This does not mean WordPress disappears.</li>



<li>It does mean agencies may be more willing to choose different tools for different project types.</li>



<li>WordPress will still make sense where clients need editing, plugins, WooCommerce, memberships, content workflows, and flexible admin tools.</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Good framing line:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">AI may make agencies more platform-flexible, but WordPress still has a huge advantage when clients need a mature content and plugin ecosystem.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>15. Risks and Cautions</strong></h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><strong>Security issues</strong>
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Credentials, permissions, API access, and client data need to be handled carefully.</li>
</ul>
</li>



<li><strong>Poor error handling</strong>
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>AI-built tools often work for the happy path but fail on edge cases.</li>



<li>Many lack proper testing, validation, logging, and fallback behavior.</li>
</ul>
</li>



<li><strong>No long-term maintenance plan</strong>
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Vibe-coded tools can create hidden technical debt.</li>



<li>Once a tool touches client data, billing, credentials, or production systems, it needs real engineering thought.</li>
</ul>
</li>



<li><strong>Sensitive client data in AI tools</strong>
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Agencies need to be careful about pasting client data into SaaS AI tools.</li>



<li>There are privacy, contractual, and data leakage concerns.</li>
</ul>
</li>



<li><strong>Over-dependence on AI vendors</strong>
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Agencies that make core offerings too AI-dependent could be exposed if tool costs rise.</li>



<li>If the AI bubble cools or pricing changes, AI-heavy workflows may become more expensive.</li>
</ul>
</li>



<li><strong>AI still makes mistakes</strong>
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>AI can be confidently wrong.</li>



<li>If a human made up facts this often, you would probably fire them.</li>



<li>Agencies still need human review, especially for strategy, legal-sensitive work, code, security, and client-facing communication.</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Good framing line:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">AI can make bad thinking look very professional, and that is one of the biggest risks.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>16. Likely Outcomes for Agencies</strong></h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><strong>Smaller teams will do more</strong>
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>AI may allow agencies to stay leaner.</li>



<li>Some agency teams may shrink, or at least avoid hiring as quickly.</li>
</ul>
</li>



<li><strong>More productized services</strong>
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>AI makes it easier to package repeatable offerings.</li>



<li>Example:
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>An agency serving service businesses could automate intake, site planning, reporting, review analysis, landing page recommendations, and follow-up workflows.</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
</li>



<li><strong>More technical differentiation</strong>
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Agencies may differentiate through operations, automation, integrations, monitoring, and QA, not just design.</li>
</ul>
</li>



<li><strong>Agency tools will change</strong>
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Less focus on purely development-specific tools.</li>



<li>More demand for automation, QA, testing, monitoring, and operational visibility.</li>



<li>This connects directly to CheckView because agencies need to know whether the websites, forms, checkouts, and automations they manage are actually working.</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Good framing line:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The next wave of agency tools may be less about building websites and more about proving that everything connected to the website is working.</p>
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<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Useful links</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://wptavern.com/podcast/215-matt-schwartz-on-exploring-ais-impact-in-wordpress-agencies-part-1">Part 1 of this two part podcast series can be listened to here</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Matt&#8217;s agency &#8211; <a href="https://www.inspry.com">Inspry</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://checkview.io">CheckView</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://theadminbar.com">The Admin Bar</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://managewp.com">ManageWP</a></p>



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<figure class="wp-block-audio"><audio controls="controls" src="https://heropress.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/indebted_the_ugandan_wordpress_dream_that_flew_to_asia.mp3"></audio><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">Here is Moses reading his own essay aloud.</figcaption></figure>



<p>There are moments in life when you sit back, look around, and just shake your head in disbelief. The kind where you ask yourself, <em>“Eh! Is this really me?”</em></p>



<p>This is one of those moments.</p>



<p>The word <em>indebted</em> is typically associated with money—a debt to be repaid. But there is a different kind of indebtedness—one that defines my life now: <strong><em>feeling grateful or obligated because of a benefit, help, or kindness received</em></strong>. It’s the feeling I have today for the global WordPress community. This isn&#8217;t a financial report; it&#8217;s a profound acknowledgment that my life, my sense of community, and my geographical freedom were purchased not with cash, but with kindness.</p>



<p>I write this essay to the dreamers in my home country of Uganda. To the beginner still figuring out what “plugin” means. To the developer grinding through tutorials at midnight. To anyone who believes that global stages are “for other people”. They are not. This is our story, and it is built on the backbone of WordPress.From Doubting Thomas to WordPress Events Supporter</p>



<p>For a long time, my relationship with WordPress was purely transactional. It was a tool, a way to build a website, a path toward earning a living. The community aspect was a side benefit, a place for troubleshooting, like the endless “try clearing cache” conversations. Because of this many people have gone around with the WordPress is dead jokes which is not the actual reality</p>



<p>But WordPress is not just about websites; it is about people. Real people who show up, who share, who guide, and who open doors you didn’t even know existed.</p>



<p>Like I have explained before, I was not always the full of faith kind of guy. I always had doubts and so many reservations. I started using WordPress because a friend of mine invited me to. Just to test and see how things work. Nothing serious. When I started using WordPress, life started changing and now I have hit another milestone. WordPress keeps pulling me and locking me in. </p>



<p>The Software, the Community, the family (in Uganda we call it a family because of how fast we come through for each other). After a few series of attending meetups and WordCamps a friend asked me to speak at a WordCamp and my life took another turn. It was so beautiful to contribute to communities. I started sharing in meetup and WordCamps, both locally and internationally but I had never thought about organizing a flagship event. </p>



<p>WordPress transformed my way of seeing people and my approach to community also took a turn for the better. I met people that appreciated all efforts regardless of how small.</p>



<p>This journey from self-doubt to mentoring WordCamps was a slow-burn realization of the power of community. The small efforts, the meetups, the training sessions, and all the nitty-gritties actually mattered. The WordPress community brought me so far, allowing me to celebrate the path I was on.The Dream that Flew to Mumbai</p>



<p>The dream of organizing a flagship event had always been tucked away in my heart. When I saw the call for Organizers for a Flagship event, I noticed a chance to fit all this community work into a larger purpose.</p>



<p> I knew it would take a lot of effort and the cross would be heavy, but I didn’t care; I wanted to carry it. I also didn&#8217;t think they would choose me because I had been turned down before by another flagship. I was ready for whatever the response but I was also ready to put in the hours and work required.</p>



<p>The challenge was immediate and geographical. The event was WordCamp Asia 2026, happening in Mumbai, India. The idea of my passport getting that Indian immigration stamp felt like a fantasy. My confidence was limited to what I thought was possible: “Apply and you will be a remote organiser”.</p>



<p>During the organizer vetting and orientation process, the interviewer kept returning to one question: <em>Could I make it to Mumbai?</em></p>



<p>In my heart of hearts, I knew the answer. I kept firmly responding that I could not afford that much, but I would offer all the required remote support. I was already offering my time and effort; I just couldn&#8217;t solve the geographic puzzle and yet I really wanted to be a part of the team.</p>



<p>Then, during one of the calls, I received a link to apply for the <a href="https://automattic.com/automattic-open-horizons-scholarship/">Open Horizons Scholarship</a> from <a href="https://automattic.com/">Automattic</a>.</p>



<p>The moment I read the mission statement, everything clicked. It aims to increase equitable access to WordPress events by providing financial support to contributors from underrepresented, underserved, or economically disadvantaged backgrounds. This was written for me. This was written for us.</p>



<p>With all faith and hope, I filled in the application and waited. I was praying that they would choose me, praying that this new dream could become a reality.The Game Changer: Geographical Freedom</p>



<p>A few days later, I received the email confirming my selection. Even now, it still feels like one of those emails you reread five times to confirm it’s not a scam. You know those ones that start with “Congratulations” and you check the sender twice before your heart accepts the joy? Yes, that one.</p>



<p>I was in shock. I was excited. I was amazed.</p>



<p>This scholarship was not just about me boarding a plane to Mumbai; it was a physical manifestation of geographical freedom. It was a reminder that somewhere, someone saw value in what I do.</p>



<p>My life changed, the way I walk changed, the way I speak changed, the way I see things changed and everything changed. The scholarship made me international. I ceased to be local events organizer to Flagship event Organizer</p>



<p>Travelling to attend a flagship event is a very interesting thought but for me, it started with a passport that had more hope than stamps.</p>



<p>Then came the india visa process.</p>



<p>Let me be honest, it was not smooth. Not even close. I faced rejection. Once. Twice. Three times. Each one comes with the same polite but painful message that basically says, “Not this time.”</p>



<p>And each time, you start to question yourself again.</p>



<p>“Maybe it’s not for me, Maybe I should just stay back here.”</p>



<p>But something interesting happened in the middle of those rejections. As I kept trying, learning, asking questions, and understanding the process better… I started helping others.</p>



<p>Friends would reach out:<br />“Bro, how did you apply?”<br />“What documents did you use?”<br />“What do they want exactly?”</p>



<p>And me,  the same person being rejected started guiding others. Reviewing applications. Sharing lessons. Giving the details the visa sites and agents were not giving.</p>



<p>And guess what? All of them got their visas. On time. Successfully. Including my wife.</p>



<p>Meanwhile, I was still struggling to get mine.</p>



<p>Life can be funny like that</p>



<p>But on the fourth attempt… it came through.</p>



<p>That approval message hit differently. It was not just excitement. It was relief. It was validation. It was a quiet whisper saying, <em>“You were not crazy to keep trying.”</em></p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-leaving-home"><strong>Leaving Home</strong></h2>



<p>Preparing to travel felt like preparing for an exam you didn’t fully revise for.</p>



<p>Packing was a whole experience. You pack, unpack, remove things, add them again. You even start questioning if you really need five shirts for a few days. (The answer is yes… just in case <img alt="😄" class="wp-smiley" src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f604.png" style="height: 1em;" />)</p>



<p>Then came the airport.</p>



<p>That one is not for the faint-hearted. The walking. The checking. The “please step aside.” The looking confident even when inside you’re just praying you don’t miss a step.</p>



<p>But the real moment?</p>



<p>Sitting in that plane.</p>



<p>Seatbelt on. Heart beating. Thoughts running.</p>



<p>Then the engine roars… and the plane starts moving.</p>



<p>Slowly… then faster… then suddenly you are off the ground.</p>



<p>I looked out the window and saw Uganda getting smaller.</p>



<p>And in that moment, it hit me:</p>



<p><strong><em>The barrier is gone.</em></strong></p>



<p>The thing that felt impossible was now happening in real time. No more imagination. No more “one day.” This was the day.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-the-feeling-of-being-seen"><strong>The Feeling of Being Seen</strong></h2>



<p>Being “seen” is not loud. It’s not always people clapping for you.</p>



<p>Sometimes it’s quiet.</p>



<p>It’s in the opportunity you’ve been given.<br />It’s in the doors that open without you forcing them.<br />It’s in realizing that your effort, your consistency, your presence matters.</p>



<p>For me, being seen looked like this journey.</p>



<p>From struggling with visas… to finally holding one.<br />From helping others succeed… to eventually getting my own breakthrough.<br />From wondering if I belong… to being welcomed on a global stage.</p>



<p>It was not instant. It was layered. Built over time.</p>



<p>And now, as I step into this experience, I carry all of it with me — the rejections, the lessons, the small wins, the people I helped along the way.</p>



<p>Because in the end, this is not just about travel.</p>



<p>It’s about growth.</p>



<p>It’s about persistence.</p>



<p>It’s about a reminder that sometimes… delay is not denial.</p>



<p>It’s preparation.</p>



<p>And when your moment comes, you will know that this was always bigger than you.</p>



<p>We arrived in Mumbai very early in the morning (4 am India Standard Time). What followed was a hospitality unexpected, a love unfathomable. From the Uber driver who took us to the hotel to the &#8220;Kaali-Peeli&#8221; (taxi) and even the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_rickshaw">tuk-tuk</a> driver. Everyone was kind. Even though the summer sun was out for its show-off party, the A/C was properly equipped for the tantrums. Mumbai was beautiful.</p>



<p>The reception from the WordPress community itself was beyond belief. People checked on me to ensure I arrived safely, to see if I needed anything, if all my affairs were in order. I saw so many people whom I had only chatted with digitally on Slack and now it was no longer just a text and image, but a face and a voice. It was a beautiful experience. There were people who lent me money because my VISA card was not working, and they had no fear that I may run off. That is the definition of a trustworthy, supportive community. That is the leverage WordPress gave me: friends that feel like family across the globe.<br /></p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-indebted-to-the-pioneers"><strong>Indebted to the Pioneers</strong></h3>



<p>This moment of freedom and connection didn’t happen in a vacuum. Opportunities like the Open Horizons Scholarship are built on the backs of people who contributed before I even knew what WordPress was.</p>



<p>They are the people who wrote documentation.</p>



<p>They are the people who fixed bugs at 2 AM.</p>



<p>They are the people who organized WordCamps when the attendance was just their friends and cousins.</p>



<p>We, the beneficiaries, are enjoying the fruits of a tree we did not plant but we are now called to water it. That realization humbles me deeply.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-indebted-but-also-responsible"><strong>Indebted… but Also Responsible</strong></h3>



<p>Being indebted is not just about saying “thank you” (though, sincerely, thank you). It comes with responsibility. The scholarship changed me. I became more careful, knowing that people see me and my actions; every little thing that I ignored was being seen. This was the true game changer.</p>



<p>My responsibility means four things:</p>



<ol class="wp-block-list">
<li><strong>Showing up fully</strong>: Being fully present in my role as an organizer and contributor.</li>



<li><strong>Learning intentionally</strong>: Absorbing the expertise and experience of the global community.</li>



<li><strong>Connecting genuinely</strong>: Building real relationships that bridge continents.</li>



<li><strong>Bringing the knowledge back home</strong>: Ensuring this experience benefits the community in Uganda.</li>
</ol>



<p>This is not just my win. It is for the community in Uganda. This global experience is a call to mentor and continue pushing WordPress to the ends of the world. It’s about how much you love. Let us echo WordPress <strong>everywhere</strong>.</p>



<p>We have seen how other people do it and it is now time for us to do it even in our own country and continent. We have set balls rolling and pots cooking. The Baganda say “<strong><em>Travel to see, return to </em></strong><strong><em><s>tell the Tale </s></em></strong><strong><em>Work.</em></strong>” We are now the people demanded of the fruits of the scholarship that was accorded. </p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-to-anyone-watching-from-the-sidelines"><strong>To Anyone Watching From the Sidelines</strong></h3>



<p>Let me tell you something clearly: your time is coming.</p>



<p>You might feel like you’re doing small things, contributing here and there, attending events, helping one person at a time. It might even feel unnoticed.</p>



<p>But consistency has a way of speaking loudly when the time is right.</p>



<p>One day, you will open an email.</p>



<p>One day, your name will be called.</p>



<p>One day, you will be the one writing something like this.</p>



<p>And when that day comes, I hope you will also say:</p>



<p>“I am indebted”.</p>



<p>To everyone who has been part of my journey: mentors, friends, community members and everyone, thank you. Truly.</p>



<p>And to the WordPress community: thank you for being a place where someone from Uganda can dare to dream globally… and actually get there.</p>



<p>Now let me go and start checking passport expiry dates properly, because you never know i may now get a chance to Shake <a href="https://ma.tt">Matt’s</a> hand</p>



<p><strong>Moses Cursor Ssebunya</strong></p>



<p>Grateful. Growing. Going.</p>



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<h1 class="wp-block-heading" id="luganda"><strong>Ebbanja: Ekirooto kya Uganda ekyagenda e Buyindi</strong></h1>



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<p>Wabaawo ekiseera mu bulamu lw’otuula wansi, n’omagamaga n’omala ganyeenya mutwe nga tokikkiriza. Ebiseera wewebuliza, “Naye ddala ono nze?”</p>



<p>Kino kyekimu ku biseera ebyo.</p>



<p>Ebbanja oba okubanjibwa olumu kikwanagananyizibwa ku nsimbi oba ssente, ebbanja ery’okusasula. Naye ate waliwo ekika kye bbanja ekirala, okugenza nga kyempulira kakano: <strong><em>Okuwulira okusiima okusukkiridde oba okuwuulira nga kikukakatako olw’okuganyulwa oba obuyambi oba okusasirwa okunji kw’oba ofunye. </em></strong>Bwenti bwembulira olwaleero ku kibiina eky’ensi yonna ekya bakozesa WordPress (Global WordPress Community). Eno si alipoota ya mbalirira, wabula kusiima era nga nzikiriza awatali kubuusabuusa nti obulamu bwange, omwoyo ogw’obumu era ne ddembe okutuuka mu buli ggwanga byagulibwa, ssi na nsimbi naye na kusasira.</p>



<p>Mpandiise emboozi eno eri bannange abaloota ewaka ewaffe mu Uganda. Eri ggwe akyeezuula, atamanyi “Plugin” kyekitegeeza. Eri omuwandiisi wa code asomera ku butambi mu matumbi budde. Eri ggwe wenna akkiriza nti entimbe z’ensi yonna “z’abalala”. Si kituufu. Luno lwe lugero lwaffe era nga lusimbuddwa munda mu kinyusi kya WordPress. Okuva mu kubuusa buusa nga Tomasi  paka ku bukelembeze obukulu mu WordPress Community.</p>



<p>Okumala ebbanga eddeme, enkolagana yange ne WordPress yali ya byanfuna. Nga ekikozesebwa okuzimba ‘ebibanja ku mitimbagano’ &#8211; websites, engeri y’okukola ku kasente okwebeezaawo. Ebya ekibiina kya bakozesa nga nyongereza era nga sibifaako, okugeza nga okuddukirayo nga nsanze obuzibu, nga emboozi za “jjako ozeeko”. Naye olw’ensonga eno abantu banji bazze n’ebiboozi bya wattuuyo nga WordPress bwe yaffa era naziikibwa era nga ebiboozi byonna, nga sibituufu. </p>



<p>WordPress teri ku kuzimba bibanja; bantu. Abantu abaddala ababeerawo, abagabana, abalagirira era abaggulawo enziji zotamanyi nako nti weeziri.</p>



<p>Era nga bwenyinyonyodde jebuvuddeko, sinze eyali akkiriza nyo. Nalina okubuusabuusa kwange are nga neekengera nnyo. Natandika okukozesa WordPress kubanga mukwano wange yampita okujja ngezese ndabe nga ebintu bwebiri, tewali kyannyo. Bwenatandika okukozesa WordPress, obulamu nebutandika okukyuukan kati laba ntuuse ne ku ddaala eddala. WordPress esigala ensika nga enyingiza munda.</p>



<p>Software, Abantu (Ekibiina), famire (mu Uganda tujiyita famire kubanga tulina engeri jetwelabiriramu, okudduukirira nga waliwo afunye ekyetaago, n’enkolagana). Kati olwo nga nakamala okugenda mu nsisinkano (Meetups) n’enkungaana (WordCamps) nga ziizo, mukwano gwange yansaba njogere mu WordCamp jeyali akulembeddemu abategesi ate awo obulamu bwange ne bukyuuka neera.</p>



<p>Kyaali kirungi nnyo bwenatandika okwenyigira mu bibiina. Natandika okwogera mu Meetups ne WordCamps wano kubutaka ne’bulaya naye nga sirowoozangako nti nyinza okuba kubategesi ba WordCamp ya Ssemazinga.</p>



<p>WordPress yakyuusa engeri jendabamu abantu n’engeri jeneenyigiramu yakyuuka. Nasisinkana abasiimira ddala ne bwekaba katono.</p>



<p>Olugendo lw’okuva mu kubuusa bussa mpaka kuku lungamya abategesi ba WordCamps kali kabuguumirize akanjolesa amaanyi ga community eno. Amaanyi amatono, meetups, okutendeka n’obuntu obulala lala bwakola nga amakulu. Community ya WordPress yantuusa wala, okutuusa okujaguza olugendo lwe nnaliko. Ekirooto ekyatuuka e Mumbai.</p>



<p>Ekirooto kyokutegeka WordCamp ya ssemazinga kyali mu kko naye nga era kyewala nga kirinaanye obutasoboka. Bwennalaba okuyita okwewandiisa kwa’baagala okutegeka WordCamp eno, nendaba akakisa okuteekesa mu nkola byonna bye nnali nkola mu community.</p>



<p>Nakimanya nti tekijja kuba kyangu era nti omusalaba gujakuba munene naye nga nange ndimumalirivu. Namalirira okugwetikka omusalaba guno. Ate era nnali sikiwa nga bayinza okunzikiriza kubanga abalala baali banganye. Nnali mwetegefu ku buli kyebanangamba, okunzikiriza oba okungaana naye ate era nnali mwetegefu okuteekamu amaanyi gange gonna.</p>



<p>Okusoomoza ne kujjirawo nga kulimu okutambula. WordCamp bali bajiyita WordCamp Asia 2026, yali yakubeera Mumbai mu buyindi. Ekirowoozo kya paasipooti yange okukubwaamu stamp ya India kwali nga kuloota. Era nasaba nga ngumidde ku kimu, “Njakukolera ku mukutu (mutimbagano)”.</p>



<p>Kati mu yintavyu yabategesi, omusoyisoyi yeetololeranga ku kibuuzo kyekimu: “Onaasobola okujja e Mumbai?”</p>



<p>Amazima gennyini nga nkimanyi ssisobola. Era nawozanga kimu emiwendo j’olugendo minji sijja kujisobola naye nja kukola buli kyenninna okukola ku yintaneti. Obudde n’amaanyi nali neetegese okubiwaayo naye ensimbi ezintwala ebulaya nga mpitirivu obunji.Ekizibu kyokutambula nga kinnemye okusalira amagezi naye ate nga njagala nnyo okubeera ku tiimu.</p>



<p>Mu zimu ku meeting zetwabeeranga mu nga abategesi, naweebwa akayunzi (link) k’okusaba sikaala jebayita <a href="https://automattic.com/automattic-open-horizons-scholarship/">Open Horizons Scholarship</a> okuva mu <a href="https://automattic.com/">Automattic</a>.</p>



<p>Bwenasoma omulamwa gwabwe, mwanattu amagezi negajja. Nga omulamwa gugamba nti, Egenderera okw’ongera obusobozi bwabantu abajja mu mikolo ja wordPress nga ewaayo obuyambi bwe’simbi eri ba contributor (ffe) abava mu bitundu ebitakiikiriddwa bulunji, ebitalabibwa, oba ebirina obutasobola obutali bumu. Kino kyawandikirwa ku lwange, ku lwaffe.</p>



<p>Ne suubi lyonna n’Okukiriza, najjuzaamu ekiwandiiko n’eninda. Nga nsaba nti bana nnonda, nga nsaba nti kino ekirooto ekipya kinaafuuka ekyaddala. Olugero lwaakyuukira wano, obusobozi bw’okutambula bwali buzze.</p>



<p>Nga wayiseewo akaseera mpaawo kaaga, nafuna email ekakasa nti nnali nnondedwa. Nabuli kati, kikyawulikika nga email eyo j’osoma emirundi n’emirundi okukakasa nti sibufere. Omanyi ezo email joosoma nga etandika ne “Tukuyozaayoza” n’okebera ajisindise emirundi nga essatu nga omutima tegunkkiriza; essanyu</p>



<p>Nawuniikirira, Nakyamuka, Neebaza Katonda</p>



<p>Okusasulirwa kuno tekwali bubeezi ku kulinnya nyonyi kugenda Mumbai; kwali kulabikirwa kwokusumula emikisa j’okufuluma eggwanga. Kyalai kijjukizo nti mu kifo ekimu, waliwo eyalaba omugaso mu kyenkola.</p>



<p>Obulamu bwange bwaakyuuka, engeri jentambula yakyuuka, n’enjogera yakyuuka, engeri jendabamu ebintu yakyuuka, buli kimu kyaakyuuka. Sikaala yanfula wansi yonna. Sikyaali mutegesi wa mikolo jawaka, kati ndi mutegesi wa mutindo gwa Nsi yonna.</p>



<p>Okugenda ku WordCamp ennene kyali kirowoozo ky assanyu nyo jendi naye jendi, kyatandika n’akatabo akaliina essuubi linji okusinga stamp zamawanga.</p>



<p>Awo ne tugenda mu ntalo za Visa ya Buyindi. </p>



<p>Amazima ga Katonda, Visa teyali nyangu, naakamu nakeddagala. Nagaanibwa; sigumu, si ebiri, si essatu. Buli mulundi nga banziramu negonjebwa n’obubaka obugamba nti “Si kumulundi Guno”</p>



<p>Buli mulundi gwandeetera okwebusa buusa:</p>



<p>Kirabika sibyange,oba nsigale ewaka.</p>



<p>Naye waliwo ekyasinga okunkyamula wakati mu kugaanibwa. Buli lwenagezaako, nga njiga, mbuuza ebibuuzo n’okwongera okutegeera buli kimu bwekikola… Natandika okuyamba aballa.</p>



<p>Emikwano jatandika okumbuuza:<br />“Bro, wakola otya?”<br />“Wakozesa biwandiiko ki?”<br />“Baagala ki kyenyini?”</p>



<p>Naye nga nze, gwe bamma visa nze mpa abalala amagezi agafuna. Nensoma mu kusaba kwabwe, nengabana ebyookuyiga. Ne mbawa ebyebuziba ba agent ne website bye zitaabawa.</p>



<p>Nkweewunyise? Munnange bonna ne bafuna, mu budde, nga mwemuli n’eyamukyaala wnage.</p>



<p>Naye nga nze kagezi munnyu wabwe, nkyaabonabona okufuna eyange.<br /><br />Obulamu busesa, buli gwenagambako nga aseka</p>



<p>Naye ku mulundi ogwokuna… neyitamu.</p>



<p>Akamesegi kajja nga kanjawulo. Tekankyamula bukyamuzi kyokka. Kanzikakanya. Kali kaama akantegeeza nti “<em>Tewali mulalu okulemerako</em>”</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Okusimbula</strong></h2>



<p>Okwetegekera okusimbula kwali nga kwetegekera kibuuzo kyotasomeredde bulunji.</p>



<p>Okusiba engugu nakyo kyali kirala. Bwopanga, bwopangulula, jjamu bino, bizzemu notandika nokwebuuza oba engoye ezo zonna ozeetaaga (Amazima gali nti tomanya kinaabawo)</p>



<p>Awo ne tudda ku kisaawe</p>



<p>Bannange ekisaawe sikya banafu ba mitima. Okutambula, okukebera. Bano ba ate “dda ebbali..” Okutambula nga wegumya kumbe otya okuseerera.</p>



<p>Naye akaseera akaddala?</p>



<p>Okutuula mu nyonyi.</p>



<p>Omusipi nga ngutaddeko, omutima nga gukuba, ebirowoozo nga bitambula.</p>



<p>Awo yinjini newuluguma… enyonyi neetandika okutambula</p>



<p>Mpola mpola, kasoobo nga emisinde bwejeyongera mu kaseera mpawo nkaaga nga twesozze obwengula. </p>



<p>Nentunulako wabweeru we dddirisa nendaba nga Uganda egenda efunda.</p>



<p>Mukaseera ako wenzuuliira:</p>



<p><strong>Omuziziko gugudde.</strong></p>



<p>Ekyaali kiwulikika nga ekizibu nga kati kigenda mu maaso mu buliwo. Tewakyali kufuumitiriza. Tekyali bya luliba lumu, lwali lutuuse:  <strong><em>Abange sosolya bwatafa, Nali ku lyengede nga nsolobeza.</em></strong></p>



<p><strong>Okuwulira nga Olabiddwa</strong></p>



<p>Okulabibwa tekuwaawaala. Era tekubeera ku bantu kukubira mungalo buli kiseera.</p>



<p>Olumu kuba kwa kimpowooze.</p>



<p>Mukisa gw’oba oweereddwa.<br />Mu nziji ezeggula nga tozikase.<br />OKuzuula nti amanyi go, okwewaayo, n’okubeerawo kwo bya mugaso.</p>



<p>Jendi, okulabika kulinga olugendo luno.</p>



<p>Okuva mu kubonabonera visa… paka ku kujifuna<br />Okuva mu kuyamba abalala okuyitamu… mpaka ku kutuuka ku buwanguzi bwange<br />Okuva mu kwebuuza naye nange mbajjaamu…mpaka ku kwanirizibwa ku miwaatwa eminene</p>



<p>Tekyaali kya mbgirawo, kya zimbibwa mpola mpola mu mitendera okumala akabanga</p>



<p>Era kati, nga bwenyingira mu kunyumirwa, mbyettisse byonna wamu nange: okugaanibwa, ebyokuyiga, okuwangula okutono, abantu bennayamba mulugendo lwange.</p>



<p>Kubanga mu nkomerero, tekiri bubeezi ku kutambula</p>



<p>Kiri ku kukula</p>



<p>Kiri ku kulemerako</p>



<p>Kijjukizo nti ebiseera ebimu… okukerewa si kugaanibwa<br />Kuba kweetegeka</p>



<p>Era akaseera ko bwekanajja, ojja kumanya nti kino kyli kikusinga obunene.</p>



<p>Munnange siikulwiseeyo nga tuli Mumbai, twaatuuka kumakya (saawa kkumi ez’omumattuluttulu ~ 4am). Munnange awo ne balyooka batwaaniriza nga bwetutaasuubira, okwagwala okuta nnyonnyoleka. Okuvira ku mugoba we mmotoka eya tutwaala ku wooteri jetwali tulins okusula mpaka ddala wansi ku wa masanda (tuku-tuku). Bannange nga buli omu wakisa. Nga ku mbaga bwekutabula musiiwuufu, omusana gwo tegwali gwa kisa era gwasiibanga mu pereketya naye nga n’omuyindi A/C ajiwadde emirimu. Mumbai yali mbalagavu.</p>



<p>Ate bwekyaatuuka ku bannaffe mu community ya WordPress ne gujabagira, batwaniriza n’essanyu lya mwoki wa gonja. Abantu nga bankeberako, okukakasa nti natuuse bulunji, oba nga nina kye neetaaga, oba nali nteredde ntende. Nalaba abantu banji, abamu ku bbo nga  twaali twakoma kunyumya ku mikutu jino ji mukwanira wala ne mesegi za slack pepo ne WhatsApp. Kakano nga tetukyeetaaga kubeera ku ssimu wabula maaso ku maaso era nga mboota buliro.  Waliwo abampola ssente kubanga kaadi yange eya banka yali eremye, nga tebatidde nti oba nadduka. Kino kyebayita obwesige, okuwaniriragana nga. Gano ge maanyi WordPress geyampa: emikwano ejiringa abooluganda ebusukka mayanja.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Ebbanja olwabaatandika</strong></h3>



<p>Akaseera kano akeddembe tekakolebwa mu muwulenge. Emikisa nga Open horizons Scholarship jizimbibwa ku migongo j’abantu abaawaayo nga sinnaba na kumanya WordPress kye ki.</p>



<p>Bano be bantu abawaayo obuwandiike</p>



<p>Abaaterezza ensobi ku munnana ogwekiro</p>



<p>Abategeka WordCamps nga abakise baba kumpi banju yo</p>



<p>Kati ffe abafunyeemu, tweyagalira ku bibala eby’omuti gwetutaasimba. Naye kaakano tuyitiddwa okugufukiirira, Okutegera kino kyongera okuzikkakkanya</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Ebbanja… Ery’obuvunanyizibwa</strong></h3>



<p>Okusiima tekiri bubeezi ku kugamba “Weebale”. Kijja n’obuvunanyizibwa. Sikaala eno yankyuusa. Natandika okufaayo enyo, nga mmanyi nti bandaba era obikolwa byange; buli katono ke nnayisaamu amaaso bakalaba. </p>



<p>Obuvunaanyizibwa bwange butegeeza ebintu bino bina (4):</p>



<ol class="wp-block-list">
<li><strong>Okweweerayo ddala</strong>: Okubeera mu bujjuvu mu kifo kyange nga omutegesi oba ayongerako. </li>



<li><strong>Okugenderera okuyiga</strong>: Okufuna obukugu n’obukenkufu okuva mu community ya WordPress</li>



<li><strong>Okukwatagana mu mazima</strong>: Okuzimba enkolagana ezaddala okuyunga zi ssemazinga </li>



<li><strong>Okukomyaawo amagezi gano ewaka</strong>: Nina okukakasa nti banna Uganda baganyulwaamu.</li>
</ol>



<p>Kuno si kuwangula kwange, Kw community ya Uganda nga ekitole. Byennayiga ebulaya mulanga gwa kuyigiriza balala n’okwongerayo WordPress mpaka ku nsonda z’ensi. Kisinziirira ddala ku njagala joyagalamu. Tutuuse oeddoboozi lya WordPress <strong>buli wamu</strong>.</p>



<p>Tulabye engeri abalala bwebakola era kaseera naffe tukole u nsi yaffe ne ssemazinga.Tutandise ebintu kamaala. Ffe a Baganda tugamba; <strong>okutambula kulaba okudda </strong><strong><s>kunyumya</s></strong><strong> kukola</strong>. Kati ate ye ffe bantu bebabanja ebibala bya sikaala</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Eri yenna alabira ku bbali</strong></h3>



<p>Kankutegeeze kino buterevu; akaseera ko kajja</p>



<p>Oyinza okuba nga owulira okozeeko bitono. Nga wnyigiramu wano na wali, genda ku mikolo, yambako omuntu omu omu. Oyinza n’okuwulira nga atalabika.</p>



<p>Naye okulemerako kulina engeri jekuwoggana nga akaseera katuuse</p>



<p>Lunaku Lumu, ojja kuggulawo email</p>



<p>Lunaku lumu; erinnya lyo bajja kuliyita</p>



<p>Lunkau Lumu, ojja kuba ggwe awandiika emboozi nga eno</p>



<p>Era olunaku olwo bwelunajja, kansabe nti naawe onoogamba nti:</p>



<p>“Mpoleddwa Ebbanja”</p>



<p>Eri buli abadde ekitundu ku lugendo lwange: abawabuzi, emikwano, aba community na buli omu. Weebake nnyo. Amazima</p>



<p>Ne WordPress community: nwebale nnyo okubeera ekifo nga omuntu mu Uganda asobola okulotera ku mutendera ogusemba… era nentuuka na yo</p>



<p>Kati kanzireyo nkebere paasipooti egwaako ddi kubanga munnange tomanya nyinza okufina omukisa okusikako <a href="http://ma.tt">Ma.tt</a> mu mukono</p>



<p><strong>Moses Cursor Ssebunya</strong><br />Nsiima. Nkula. Ngenda.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Before you dive headfirst into all the big and small changes and pick your favorites, make sure to read these preliminary thoughts about this post and how to use it. If you have questions, leave a comment or email me at <a href="mailto:pauli@gutenbergtimes.com">pauli@gutenbergtimes.com</a>. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Huge Thank You to all collaborators on this post: Anne McCarthy, Sarah Norris, Ella van Durpe, Maggie Cabrera, Ben Dwyer, Jonathan Bossenger, Justin Tadlock, Dave Smith, Courtney Robertson and a lot more. It&#8217;s takes a village&#8230;</p>



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<nav class="wp-block-table-of-contents"><ol><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#changelog">Changelog</a></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#important-note-guidelines">Important note/guidelines</a></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#overview">Overview </a><ol><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#important-links">Important links:</a></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#assets">Assets </a></li></ol></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#tags">Tags</a></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#priority-items-for-wordpress-7-0">Priority items for WordPress 7.0 </a><ol><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#visual-revisions-all">Visual Revisions [all]</a></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#navigation-overlays-and-more-theme-builder-plugin-author-site-admin">Navigation Overlays and more [theme builder][plugin author] [site admin]</a></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#treating-patterns-like-a-single-block-all">Treating patterns like a single block [all]</a></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#ai-in-wordpress-enterprise-developers-site-admin">AI in WordPress [enterprise][developers][site admin]</a></li></ol></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#new-blocks">New Blocks</a><ol><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#breadcrumbs-block-all">Breadcrumbs Block [all]</a></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#icon-block-all">Icon Block [all]</a></li></ol></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#block-editor-enhancements">Block Editor enhancements</a><ol><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#custom-css-for-individual-blocks-enduser-site-admin-theme-builder">Custom CSS for Individual Blocks [enduser][site admin] [theme builder]</a></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#control-viewport-based-block-visibility-all">Control viewport-based block visibility [all]</a></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#anchor-support-for-dynamic-blocks-developer-plugin-author">Anchor support for dynamic blocks [developer][plugin author]</a></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#paste-color-values-in-the-color-picker-end-user-theme-builder-site-admin">Paste color values in the color picker [end user][theme builder] [site admin]</a></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#dimension-support-for-width-and-height-theme-builder-site-admin">Dimension support for width and height [theme builder][site admin]</a></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#email-notifications-for-notes-all">Email notifications for Notes [all]</a></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#block-attributions-groups-in-the-sidebar-all">Block Attributions Groups in the sidebar [all]</a></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#link-control-validation-end-user-site-admin">Link Control validation [end user] [site admin]</a></li></ol></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#improved-blocks-and-block-handling">Improved Blocks and Block handling</a><ol><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#pseudo-styles-for-button-blocks-theme-builder-site-admin">Pseudo Styles for Button Blocks [theme builder][site admin] </a></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#extra-divs-removed-from-blocks-in-the-editor-theme-builder-developer-site-admin">Extra divs removed from blocks in the editor [theme builder][developer][site admin] </a></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#universal-text-alignment-all">Universal Text Alignment [all]</a></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#cover-block-video-embeds-site-admin-end-user">Cover Block Video Embeds [site admin][end user]</a></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#gallery-block">Gallery Block </a></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#responsive-grid-block-site-admin-end-user-theme-builder">Responsive Grid Block [site admin][end user][theme builder]</a></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#heading-block-variations-site-admin-end-user">Heading block variations [site admin][end user]</a></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#html-block-enhancement-site-admin-themebuilder-end-user">HTML Block Enhancement [site admin] [themebuilder] [end user] </a></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#image-block-inline-editing-and-controls-site-admin-end-user">Image block inline editing and controls [site admin][end user]</a></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#math-block-improvements-end-users-site-admin">Math Block Improvements [end users][site admin]</a></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#paragraph-all">Paragraph [all]</a></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#query-loop-enhancements-all">Query Loop Enhancements [all]</a></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#verse-block-renamed-to-poetry-all">Verse Block, renamed to Poetry [all]</a></li></ol></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#admin-workflow-updates">Admin / Workflow updates </a><ol><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#manage-fonts-for-all-themes-in-a-dedicated-page-site-admin-theme-builder-enterprise">Manage fonts for all themes in a dedicated page [site admin][theme builder] [enterprise]</a></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#command-palette-in-adminbar-all">Command Palette in Adminbar [all]</a></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#view-transitions-all">View Transitions  [all]</a></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#improved-screens-across-wp-admin-all">Improved screens across WP-Admin  [all]</a></li></ol></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#developer-goodies-developer-enterprise">Developer Goodies [developer][enterprise]</a><ol><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#php-only-block-registration">PHP-only block registration</a></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#pattern-overrides-for-custom-blocks">Pattern Overrides for custom blocks</a></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#dataviews-data-form-components-and-fields-api">DataViews, Data Form components and Fields API </a></li><li><a class="wp-block-table-of-contents__entry" href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#ui-primitives-and-components">UI Primitives and Components</a></li></ol></li></ol></nav>
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<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="changelog">Changelog</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Any changes are cataloged here as the release goes on.</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><strong>May 12, 2026</strong>
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Switch the highlight grid graphic for the latest iteration</li>



<li>made the Visual Revision section the priority item</li>



<li>Removed real-time collaboration from the overview section. </li>
</ul>
</li>



<li><strong>May 8, 2026</strong>
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/05/08/rtc-removed-from-7-0/">Real-time collaboration will not ship in WordPress 7.0</a> and the feature has been removed from this post. </li>



<li><a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/05/08/results-real-time-collaboration-performance-testing-analysis/">Results: Real Time Collaboration performance testing analysis</a></li>
</ul>
</li>



<li><strong>April 23, 2026</strong>
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>WordPress 7.0 has a new release date: <strong>May 20th, 2026</strong>! (<a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/04/22/wordpress-7-0-release-party-updated-schedule/">see post). </a></li>



<li>The <strong>RTC performance testing script</strong> automatically tests all 4 possible architecture approaches. Follow the<a href="https://github.com/WordPress/distributed-rtc-performance-testing/#host-instructions" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank"> instructions on the repository</a>. Still under development, though. Release and Call for hosting testing planned for Friday April 24. (<a href="https://wordpress.slack.com/archives/C0A803Z8MA5/p1776919695875659">See Slack discussion</a>)</li>
</ul>
</li>



<li><strong>April 17, 2026</strong>
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Update on new release date no later then 4/22. </li>
</ul>
</li>



<li><strong>April 1, 2026:</strong> 
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Added information from  <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/03/31/extending-the-7-0-cycle/">Extending the 7.0 Cycle</a> by release lead Matias Ventura</li>



<li>Changed release date to TBD</li>



<li>Updated <a href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/feed/#real-time-collaboration-rtc-enterprise-site-admin" id="#real-time-collaboration-rtc-enterprise-site-admin" type="internal">Real-Time Collaboration</a> section with additional information.</li>
</ul>
</li>



<li><strong>March 30, 2026:</strong>
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Fixes for clarity and grammar.</li>



<li>Changed feature image of the post.</li>



<li>RTC: Added Introduce filters for the polling intervals (<a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/76518">76518</a>)</li>
</ul>
</li>



<li><strong>March 27, 2026:</strong> First edition </li>
</ul>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="important-note-guidelines">Important note/guidelines</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Try not to just copy and paste what&#8217;s in this post since it&#8217;s going to be shared with plenty of folks. Use this as inspiration for your own stuff and to get the best info about this release. If you do copy and paste, just remember that others might do the same, and it could lead to some awkward moments with duplicate content floating around online.</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Each item has been tagged using best guesses with different high-level labels so that you can more readily see at a glance who is likely to be most impacted.</li>



<li>Each item has a high-level description, visuals (if relevant), and key resources if you would like to learn more.</li>
</ul>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="overview">Overview </h2>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-full"><img alt="WordPress 7.0 highlight grid, status May 12, 2026" class="wp-image-45639" height="375" src="https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/WordPress-7.0-highlightgrid.jpg?resize=652%2C375&#038;ssl=1" width="652" /></figure>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Note: As always, what’s shared here is being actively pursued but doesn’t necessarily mean each will make it into the final release of WordPress 7.0.</em></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">WordPress 7.0 introduces several new features and performance enhancements.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Key new features include:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><strong>Visual revisions: </strong>A new revisions screen inside the block editor gives a visual preview of the changes with an easy-to-understand color-coded system.</li>



<li><strong>Navigation overlays:</strong> Customizable mobile menus for more flexible styling. </li>



<li><strong>Content focused pattern editing:</strong> Pattern editing now prioritizes the content editing experience with more available options when needed.</li>



<li><strong>AI Foundation in WordPress: </strong>User can connect their site to an AI agent of choice to use the AI experiments plugin.  Plugin developers can use the Connectors API to register connections to external services.</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Furthermore, WordPress 7.0, entails:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><strong>Two new blocks: </strong>the Icon block and the Breadcrumbs block.</li>



<li><strong>Viewport-based block show/hide:</strong> Block visibility extended to customize display according to screen-sizes. </li>



<li><strong>Gallery lightbox navigation:</strong> improved browsing through images placed in a gallery.</li>



<li><strong>Font management</strong> for all themes: The screen to upload and manage fonts is now available in the <strong>Appearance</strong> menu for classic and block themes.</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Many more quality of life changes for workflow and design tools made it into this release. You&#8217;ll find the complete list below. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/7-0/">WordPress 7.0</a> is <s>set to be released on April 9, 2026 at <a href="https://asia.wordcamp.org/2026/wordpress-7-0-release-on-contributor-day/">Contributor Day of WordCamp Asia</a>.</s> <br />The new release date will be announced no later than April 22. (see <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/03/31/extending-the-7-0-cycle/">Ventura&#8217;s announcement</a>)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Of note, this release consists of features from the Gutenberg plugin version 22.0 &#8211; 22.6. Here are the release posts of those plugin releases: <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/2025/11/05/whats-new-in-gutenberg-22-0-05-november/">22.0</a> | <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/2025/11/20/whats-new-in-gutenberg-22-1-18-november-2025/"> 22.1</a> | <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/2025/12/03/whats-new-in-gutenberg-22-2-dec3/"> 22.2</a> | <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/2025/12/17/gutenberg-22-3-december-17/">22.3</a> | <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/01/22/whats-new-in-gutenberg-22-4-20-january/">22.4</a> | <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/02/04/whats-new-in-gutenberg-22-5-04-february/">22.5</a> | <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/02/25/whats-new-in-gutenberg-22-6-25-february/">22.6</a>. Later Gutenberg releases contain bug fixes, backported to WordPress 7.0. release branches.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="important-links">Important links:</h3>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/2025/12/11/planning-for-7-0/">Planning for 7.0</a> + <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/2025/12/11/planning-for-7-0/#comment-48392">update on Beta 1</a></li>



<li><a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/7-0/">WordPress 7.0 Development Cycle</a></li>



<li><strong>What’s new for developers:</strong> <a href="https://developer.wordpress.org/news/2025/12/whats-new-for-developers-december-2025/">December</a>, <a href="https://developer.wordpress.org/news/2026/01/whats-new-for-developers-january-2026/">January</a>, <a href="https://developer.wordpress.org/news/2026/02/whats-new-for-developers-february-2026/">February</a>, <a href="https://developer.wordpress.org/news/2026/03/whats-new-for-developers-march-2026/">March</a></li>



<li>7.0 Field Guide</li>
</ul>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="assets">Assets </h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In this <a href="https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1s3vR7M60U7RcjKCu9Y5GHUo-SDA50jSP">Google Drive folder</a> you can view all assets in this document.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="tags">Tags</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">To make this document easier to navigate based on specific audiences, the following tags are used liberally: </p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><strong>[end user]</strong>: end user focus. </li>



<li><strong>[theme builder]</strong>: block or classic theme author. </li>



<li><strong>[plugin author]</strong>: plugin author, whether block or otherwise.</li>



<li><strong>[developer]</strong>: catch-all term for more technical folks. </li>



<li><strong>[site admin]</strong>: this includes a “builder” type. </li>



<li><strong>[enterprise]</strong>: specific items that would be of interest to or particularly impact enterprise-level folks</li>



<li><strong>[all]</strong>: broad impact to every kind of WordPress user. </li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">How can you use these? Use your browser&#8217;s <strong>Find</strong> capability and search for the string including the brackets. Then use the arrows to navigate through the post from one result to the next. </p>



<details class="wp-block-details is-layout-flow wp-block-details-is-layout-flow">Short video on how to use the tags to navigate the post. 
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<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="priority-items-for-wordpress-7-0">Priority items for WordPress 7.0 </h2>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="visual-revisions-all">Visual Revisions<sup> [all]</sup></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">How revisions work for the block editor was completely reimagined. The visual Revisions screen keeps you in the editor the entire time, activating a subtle revision mode right where you work, eliminating the need to jump to a separate screen. A timeline slider in the header allows you to browse through different versions, seeing content updates in real-time.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The system highlights visual differences, showing added and removed text, formatting changes, and outlining modified blocks instead of raw code. For long documents, a mini-map along the scrollbar indicates where changes exist, letting you jump directly to them, and the sidebar remains useful with a summary of the changes for the current revision. To simplify reverting, the &#8220;Update&#8221; or &#8220;Publish&#8221; button is replaced by a &#8220;Restore&#8221; button when you are browsing the history (<a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues/74742">74742</a>).</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Yellow marks a changed section/block, in red you’ll find deletions and green are additions compared to the early version. </p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Wes Theron</strong> has a short video on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWN3d2KUNKk">How to restore previous versions of a page or post in WordPress</a>.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Anne McCarthy also gives a great walk through the screens on Youtube:</p>



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<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="navigation-overlays-and-more-theme-builder-plugin-author-site-admin">Navigation Overlays and more <sup>[theme builder][plugin author] [site admin]</sup></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Navigation blocks now have customizable overlays and give user full control over mobile hamburger menus. A prominent <strong>Create overlay</strong> button in the side bar guides you through the setup, providing a selection of patterns to achieve various designs for your overlay. WordPress 7.0 comes with multiple built-in patterns including centered navigation, accent backgrounds, and black backgrounds. New blocks default to &#8220;always&#8221; showing overlays. The Navigation block sidebar section also shows a preview of the selected overlay template parts. You can also access the list of Navigation Overlays via <strong>Appearance &gt; Editor &gt; Patterns &gt; Template Parts.</strong></p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>On GitHub you&#8217;ll find a list of all the <a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues?q=state%3Aclosed%20label%3A%22%5BFeature%5D%20Navigation%20Overlays%22%20label%3A%22%5BType%5D%20Enhancement%22">Navigation Overlay enhancements</a>. </li>



<li>The dev note <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/03/04/customisable-navigation-overlays-in-wordpress-7-0/">Customizable Navigation Overlays in WordPress 7.0</a> has everything you need to know.</li>
</ul>



<div class="wp-block-group has-light-background-background-color has-background"><div class="wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained"><div class="wp-block-image">
<figure class="aligncenter size-full is-resized" id="block-697b3ef0-955a-4413-82a1-bf3bb5f25f68"><img alt="" class="wp-image-45002" height="607" src="https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Create-Overlay.png?resize=589%2C607&#038;ssl=1" style="width: 541px; height: auto;" width="589" /></figure>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">To make it easier for users to create custom overlays for their mobile navigation, four new patterns are now available for the navigation overlay template parts:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74847">Overlay with black background</a> </li>



<li><a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74849">Overlay with accent background</a></li>



<li><a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74862">Centered navigation with info</a></li>



<li><a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74861">Centered navigation</a></li>
</ul>



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</div></div>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><strong>Submenus: Always visible option</strong>: Users can now add navigation blocks to their overlays and toggle if they’d like to have the submenus always visible or not. (<a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74653">74653</a>)</li>



<li><strong>Page Creation in Navigation</strong>: Create pages directly from the Navigation block with helpful Snackbar notices and improved parent page search using relevance matching <a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/72627">(72627</a>, <a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73836">73836</a>).</li>
</ul>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="treating-patterns-like-a-single-block-all">Treating patterns like a single block <sup>[all]</sup></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Get ready for a smoother, more intuitive experience when using patterns in WordPress 7.0.  It’s becoming much easier to customize your site&#8217;s design sections with a simplified editing workflow and an improved content-focused mode. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Users naturally stay in the safe lane without accidentally breaking designs. Agencies can hand off a site knowing clients can&#8217;t wreck the layout by default — they&#8217;d have to deliberately choose to go deeper.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>What&#8217;s New for Patterns:</strong></p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><strong>Quick Content Edits:</strong> When you select a pattern, instead of seeing a list of individual blocks, you&#8217;ll see a clean, expanded inspector panel. This panel exposes all the editable text and image fields directly, organized for easy access. </li>



<li><strong>Content-Only Focus:</strong> Patterns will now default to a <strong>Content-Only</strong> editing mode. This simplifies the experience by letting you quickly fill in the content without seeing all the underlying design tools.</li>



<li><strong>Full Customization (If You Need It):</strong> If you <em>do</em> need to change the structure or design of a pattern, you can simply &#8220;detach&#8221; it. This gives you full access to all the individual blocks, just like before. Use the <strong>Edit Pattern</strong> button from the sidebar.</li>



<li><strong>A Unified Experience:</strong> This new approach makes patterns feel like single, smart design objects with easy-to-update attributes, whether you&#8217;re using a pattern, a design section, or a partially synced pattern.</li>
</ul>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Head over to the dev note <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/?p=122085&amp;preview=1&amp;_ppp=5a7fd37ffc">Pattern Editing in WordPress 7.0</a> for the full picture. </p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="ai-in-wordpress-enterprise-developers-site-admin">AI in WordPress <sup>[enterprise][developers][site admin]</sup></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">WordPress 7.0 ships with a WP AI client API and a built-in Connectors screen — a centralized hub for managing all kinds of external service integrations, not just AI providers. Connect to OpenAI, Claude, or Gemini and WordPress automatically installs the right plugin and prompts you for your API key. Developers get a consistent framework to build on—enabling features like content generation, block building, and theme creation without reinventing the plumbing every time. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The new Connectors page also sports a shout-out to the <a href="https://wordpress.org/plugins/ai/">AI Experiments plugin</a> if users want to see AI features, like title, excerpt, or alt-text generation, in action.</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-full"><img alt="" class="wp-image-44916" height="415" src="https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Connectors-Page-WordPress-7-0.png?resize=652%2C415&#038;ssl=1" width="652" /></figure>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But the real value of this Connectors API is broader: any plugin that needs to connect to an outside service via API keys or other credentials can tap into this standardized connection management system. Users get one place to maintain all their integrations. And plugin developer a standardized way to tap into the plumbing.</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Read the dev note <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/03/18/introducing-the-connectors-api-in-wordpress-7-0/"><strong>Introducing the Connectors API in WordPress 7.0</strong></a> for all the salient details. </li>



<li>The Core AI team also published a <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/ai/2026/03/25/call-for-testing-community-ai-connector-plugins/"><strong>Call for Testing: Community AI Connector Plugins</strong></a>.</li>
</ul>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="new-blocks">New Blocks</h2>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="breadcrumbs-block-all">Breadcrumbs Block <sup>[all]</sup></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The new native Breadcrumbs block in WordPress 7.0 provides dynamic navigational trails for the Site Editor. It automatically generates paths from the homepage to the current page, adapting to context.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The block handles hierarchical pages (e.g., &#8220;Home / Services / Web Design / Portfolio&#8221;) and includes taxonomy for blog posts (e.g., &#8220;Home / Technology / Your Post Title&#8221;). Beyond simple pages, it correctly constructs paths for archive pages (category, tag, author, date), search results, and 404 errors. For Custom Post Types, it includes the post type archive in the trail.</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-full"><img alt="Breadcrumbs block displaying post categories WordPress 7.0" class="wp-image-44940" height="227" src="https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Breadcrumbs-flore-flowers.png?resize=652%2C227&#038;ssl=1" width="652" /></figure>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The block offers alignment options (left, center, right, wide/full), as well as other block design options. Additional settings are available for showing the last item as text or a link and consistent homepage handling (<a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues/72649">72649</a>).</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-full"><img alt="" class="wp-image-44951" height="898" src="https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/gb-22-2-breadcrumb.png?resize=652%2C898&#038;ssl=1" width="652" /></figure>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The dev note <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/03/04/breadcrumb-block-filters/">Breadcrumb block filters</a> has the details. </p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="icon-block-all">Icon Block <sup>[all]</sup></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The new Icon block empowers users to add decorative icons from a curated collection to their content. It utilizes a new server-side SVG Icon Registration API, ensuring icon registry updates propagate without block validation errors. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The initial release is limited as it doesn&#8217;t yet allow registering third-party icon collections. Extensibility for third-party icon registration is planned for future release in 7.1, following further development on the Icon registry API architecture. A REST endpoint at <code>/wp/v2/icons</code> supports searching and filtering. The initial set draws from the <code>wordpress/icons</code> package (<a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/71227">71227</a>, <a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/72215">72215</a>, <a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/75576">75576</a>).</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img alt="List of directions, illustrated with the icon block" class="wp-image-44938" height="192" src="https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/icon-block.png?resize=652%2C192&#038;ssl=1" width="652" /></figure>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="block-editor-enhancements">Block Editor enhancements</h2>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="custom-css-for-individual-blocks-enduser-site-admin-theme-builder">Custom CSS for Individual Blocks <sup>[enduser][site admin] [theme builder]</sup></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Previously, applying custom CSS to a block instance required adding a custom class name and then writing a rule in the Site Editor’s global Custom CSS. This two-step process was complex for most users and inaccessible to content editors without Site Editor access.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A new custom CSS block support introduces a Custom CSS input to the <strong>Advanced</strong> panel within the block editor sidebar, conveniently placed next to the familiar &#8220;Additional CSS Class(es)&#8221; field. You only need to add the CSS declarations (no selectors!) If you do need to target nested elements, use the &amp; symbol (for example, &amp; a { color: red; }). This field is focused purely on styling and will reject any HTML input. The field is guarded by the <code>edit_css capability</code> to see and use this powerful new field. The editor automatically adds a has-custom-css class for styling consistency. <a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73959">#73959</a>, <a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74969">#74969</a>.</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-full"><img alt="" class="wp-image-44920" height="412" src="https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Block-level-custom-CSS.png?resize=652%2C412&#038;ssl=1" width="652" /></figure>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Dive into the dev note <strong><a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/03/15/custom-css-for-individual-block-instances-in-wordpress-7-0/">Custom CSS for Individual Block Instances</a></strong> for the complete rundown.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="control-viewport-based-block-visibility-all">Control viewport-based block visibility <sup>[all]</sup></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When you&#8217;re editing a post or page, you can now choose to show or hide any block depending on the visitor&#8217;s screen size. Select a block, click <strong>Show</strong> in the toolbar, and pick which devices — desktop, tablet, or mobile — should display it. You can also hide a block from the document entirely through the same modal. </p>



<div class="wp-block-group has-light-background-background-color has-background"><div class="wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained">
<figure class="wp-block-image size-full is-resized wp-duotone-unset-1"><img alt="" class="wp-image-44980" height="282" src="https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/note-on-visibility.png?resize=573%2C282&#038;ssl=1" style="width: 519px; height: auto;" width="573" /></figure>
</div></div>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img alt="" class="wp-image-44944" height="429" src="https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Block-visiblity.png?resize=652%2C429&#038;ssl=1" width="652" /></figure>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">For the nitty-gritty, see the dev note <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/03/15/block-visibility-in-wordpress-7-0/">Block Visibility in WordPress 7.0</a>.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Anne McCarthy walks you through the feature: </p>



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<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="anchor-support-for-dynamic-blocks-developer-plugin-author">Anchor support for dynamic blocks <sup>[developer][plugin author]</sup></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Dynamic blocks now support Anchor (id attribute) functionality. The anchor reference is consistently stored within the block comment delimiter, enabling dynamic rendering on the front end. (<a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74183">74183</a>)</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="paste-color-values-in-the-color-picker-end-user-theme-builder-site-admin">Paste color values in the color picker <sup>[end user][theme builder] [site admin]</sup></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Color pickers throughout the block styles sidebar, now offer support for pasting complete color values. You can now copy/paste the brand colors from a design document or website into the color picker box and don&#8217;t have to go through the process of selecting the right color and hue<a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73166"> (73166</a>).</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="dimension-support-for-width-and-height-theme-builder-site-admin">Dimension support for width and height <sup>[theme builder][site admin]</sup></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">WordPress 7.0 expands the Dimensions block supports system with three significant improvements: <strong>width</strong> and <strong>height</strong> are now available as standard block supports under dimensions, and themes can now define <strong>dimension size presets</strong> to give users a consistent set of size options across their site.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The Dev Note <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/03/15/dimensions-support-enhancements-in-wordpress-7-0/">Dimensions Support Enhancements in WordPress 7.0</a> has the details for block.development and theme builders.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="email-notifications-for-notes-all">Email notifications for Notes <sup>[all]</sup></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Collaborators can now get notified when someone leaves a note on their content. No more checking back constantly (<a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73645">73645</a>).</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="block-attributions-groups-in-the-sidebar-all">Block Attributions Groups in the sidebar <sup>[all]</sup></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The block editor sidebar is being reorganized to make controls easier to find. Block settings will be grouped into four clear sections: </p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><strong>Content</strong> (text, images, captions), </li>



<li><strong>List</strong> (reordering and nesting for blocks like Lists and Social Icons), </li>



<li><strong>Settings</strong> (block-specific options), and </li>



<li><strong>Styles</strong> (typography, colors, spacing). </li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This means you won&#8217;t need to hunt through toolbars or scattered panels — everything will live in a predictable place in the sidebar. Connected data sources will also appear directly next to the attributes they affect, so you can see at a glance what&#8217;s linked and where. It also means that for the transition a reordering of the sidebar and controls to be in different place than before. For instance. For an image block that includes the “Alt” text setting is now to be found in the content tab rather than the settings tab.  (<a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues/73845">73845</a>)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Here&#8217;s an example of the implementation for Patterns:</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-full"><img alt="" class="wp-image-44943" height="399" src="https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Pattern-Attributes-in-Sidebar.png?resize=652%2C399&#038;ssl=1" width="652" /></figure>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="link-control-validation-end-user-site-admin">Link Control validation <sup>[end user] [site admin]</sup></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The Link Control component in Gutenberg now validates the URLs, you enter helping to avoid broken links (<a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73486">73486</a>).</p>



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<figure class="wp-block-image size-full"><img alt="" class="wp-image-44950" height="181" src="https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Link-control-variation.png?resize=531%2C181&#038;ssl=1" width="531" /></figure>
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<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="improved-blocks-and-block-handling">Improved Blocks and Block handling</h2>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="pseudo-styles-for-button-blocks-theme-builder-site-admin">Pseudo Styles for Button Blocks <sup>[theme builder][site admin] </sup></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Theme designers and developers can now style button states (hover, focus, active, and focus visible) directly within the theme.json, making it much easier to keep all design controls centralized and consistent. This reduces the reliance on custom CSS for things like button hover states (<a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/71418">71418</a>). </p>



<div class="wp-block-kevinbatdorf-code-block-pro cbp-has-line-numbers"><span>JSON</span><span class="code-block-pro-copy-button" style="color: #575279; display: none;" tabindex="0"><pre class="code-block-pro-copy-button-pre"><textarea class="code-block-pro-copy-button-textarea" readonly="readonly" tabindex="-1">{
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                        "background":"blue"
                    },
                    ":hover":{
                        "color":{
                        "background":"green"
                        }
                    },
                    ":focus":{
                        "color":{
                        "background":"purple"
                        }
                    }
                }
            }
    }
}
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">More details are available in the Dev Note: <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/03/09/pseudo-element-support-for-blocks-and-their-variations-in-theme-json/">Pseudo-element support for blocks and their variations in theme.json</a>.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="extra-divs-removed-from-blocks-in-the-editor-theme-builder-developer-site-admin">Extra divs removed from blocks in the editor <sup>[theme builder][developer][site admin] </sup></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">WordPress 7.0 introduced a new <code>HtmlRenderer</code> component, which renders HTML content as React elements with optional wrapper props. For theme authors, this means that several blocks will no longer have an extra wrapping <code>&lt;div&gt;</code> in the editor, allowing for consistent styling with the front end (<a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74228">74228</a>).</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Blocks that have been fixed are:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74255">Archives</a></li>



<li><a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74271">Calendar</a></li>



<li><a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74277">Latest Comments</a></li>



<li><a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74272">RSS</a></li>



<li><a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74228">Tag Cloud</a></li>
</ul>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="universal-text-alignment-all">Universal Text Alignment <sup>[all]</sup></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Nearly all text blocks now support the standardized text-align block support system, including Paragraph, Button, Comment blocks, Heading, and Verse. Plus, text justify alignment is now available. See <a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues/60763">tracking issue</a> to follow along on the progress (<a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues/60763">60763</a>).</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="cover-block-video-embeds-site-admin-end-user">Cover Block Video Embeds <sup>[site admin][end user]</sup></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">For the Cover block this release comes with the ability to use embedded videos (like YouTube or Vimeo) as background videos in the Cover block, rather than being restricted to locally uploaded files. Offloading video to 3rd-party services helps reduce hosting and bandwidth costs. Also, the focal pointer is now available for fixed background. (<a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73023">#73023</a>, <a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74600">#74600</a>).</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-full"><img alt="" class="wp-image-44953" height="416" src="https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/gb-22-2-embed-1.png?resize=652%2C416&#038;ssl=1" width="652" /></figure>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="gallery-block">Gallery Block </h3>



<h4 class="wp-block-heading" id="lightbox-navigation-site-admin-end-user">Lightbox navigation <sup>[site admin][end user]</sup></h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The Gallery block’s “Enlarge on click” lightbox now lets you navigate between images. When you click a gallery image, back/next buttons appear so you can browse through the rest of the gallery without closing the lightbox. Keyboard navigation (arrow keys) and screen reader announcements are fully supported. It also works with swiping on mobile, however the swiping isn’t yet visual/animated.  (<a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/62906">62906</a>) and lightbox items still miss captions.</p>



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<h4 class="wp-block-heading" id="content-tab-in-sidebar-site-admin-end-user">Content Tab in sidebar <sup>[site admin][end user]</sup></h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">For fast access to Alt text box the sidebar of the Gallery block shows a new content tab in the sidebar. </p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img alt="" class="wp-image-44958" height="340" src="https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Gallery-content-sidebar-edited.png?resize=652%2C340&#038;ssl=1" width="652" /></figure>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="responsive-grid-block-site-admin-end-user-theme-builder">Responsive Grid Block <sup>[site admin][end user][theme builder]</sup></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The Grid block is now responsive even when you set a column count. Previously, you had to choose between setting a minimum column width (responsive, Auto mode) or a fixed column count (Manual mode)—a binary toggle that confused many users. Now you can set both: when you do, the column count becomes a <em>maximum</em>, and the grid scales down responsively based on your minimum column width. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You can set neither, either, or both—the block handles all combinations gracefully. The confusing Auto/Manual toggle is gone entirely, replaced by clearer &#8220;minimum width&#8221; and &#8220;columns&#8221; labels with a plain-language description explaining the relationship between the two controls.. (<a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73662">73662</a>)</p>



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<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="heading-block-variations-site-admin-end-user">Heading block variations <sup>[site admin][end user]</sup></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Each heading level (H1-H6) is now registered as a block variation on the Heading block. These do not appear in the inserter, but the change does add icons to the block’s sidebar for transforming it between variations (<a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73823">73823</a>).</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img alt="" class="wp-image-44963" height="334" src="https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Heading-handling.png?resize=652%2C334&#038;ssl=1" width="652" /></figure>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="html-block-enhancement-site-admin-themebuilder-end-user">HTML Block Enhancement <sup>[site admin] [themebuilder] [end user]</sup> </h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The HTML block was redesigned to work now as a modal-based editor featuring separate tabs for HTML, CSS, and JavaScript. Admin can now use it for more powerful customizations, when HTML JS and CSS work on a single block. (<a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73108">73108</a>).  </p>



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<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="image-block-inline-editing-and-controls-site-admin-end-user">Image block inline editing and controls <sup>[site admin][end user]</sup></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">WordPress 7.0 comes with a revamp of the image editing feature in the editor. It’s now easier to crop, rotate or zoom in on a particular image corner. (<a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/72414">#72414</a>) (<a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73277">#73277</a>).</p>



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<h4 class="wp-block-heading" id="advanced-image-controlsimage-block-now-supports-the-focal-point-control-and-aspect-ratio-adjustments-for-wide-and-full-alignments-plus-reorganized-inspector-controls-with-a-dedicated-content-tab-73115-74519-74201">Advanced Image Controls <sup>[site admin][end user]</sup></h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph" id="advanced-image-controlsimage-block-now-supports-the-focal-point-control-and-aspect-ratio-adjustments-for-wide-and-full-alignments-plus-reorganized-inspector-controls-with-a-dedicated-content-tab-73115-74519-74201">Image block now supports the focal point control and aspect ratio adjustments for wide and full alignments, plus reorganized inspector controls with a dedicated content tab. <a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73115">#73115</a>, <a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74519">#74519</a>, <a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74201">#74201</a></p>



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<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="math-block-improvements-end-users-site-admin">Math Block Improvements <sup>[end users][site admin]</sup></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">LaTeX input now uses a monospaced font, and style options are available for better mathematical expression editing (<a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/72557">72557</a>, <a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73544">73544</a>).</p>



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<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="paragraph-all">Paragraph <sup>[all]</sup></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A new typography tool has been added for specifying the line indent of paragraph blocks (<a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73114">73114</a>, <a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74889">74889</a>). Users and theme creators can specify line indentation rules for a single paragraph block and also at global styles / theme.json level for all paragraph blocks. For global styles and theme.json, it’s possible to choose whether all paragraphs or only subsequent paragraphs are indented, which accounts for different indentation standards around the world.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The dev note on <strong><a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/03/15/new-block-support-text-indent-textindent/">the new <code>textIndent</code> block support</a> </strong>has all the details for developers working on blocks or themes.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The example code sets a default indent value of 1.5em globally for paragraphs:</p>



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    "typography": {
      "textIndent": "true"
    }
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  "styles": {
    "blocks": {
      "core/paragraph": {
        "typography": {
          "textIndent": "1.5em"
        }
      }
    }
  }
}
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">More details can be learned in the Dev Note: <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/?p=121744&amp;preview=1&amp;_ppp=b05f93cb55">New Block Support: Text Indent (textIndent) </a></p>



<h4 class="wp-block-heading" id="columns-in-paragraph-blocks-all">Columns in Paragraph blocks <sup>[all]</sup></h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Now that there is block support for typographical columns, the paragraph block can now handle text columns by default (<a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74656">74656</a>).</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">On the front-end only, the Paragraph block now has a <code>.wp-block-paragraph</code> class. This change doesn’t affect global styles, which still use the <code>p</code> selector.(<a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/71207">71207</a>)</p>



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<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="query-loop-enhancements-all">Query Loop Enhancements <sup>[all]</sup></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Query loops now support excluding terms. When the block is locked it now hides design change and choose pattern options. <a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73790">#73790</a>, <a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74160">#74160</a></p>



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<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="verse-block-renamed-to-poetry-all">Verse Block, renamed to Poetry <sup>[all]</sup></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The Verse Block has been renamed to Poetry block (<a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74722">74722</a>) Also it now utilizes <code>border-box</code> for its <code>box-sizing</code>, which guards against overflow issues and should make it easier to style without additional custom CSS.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="admin-workflow-updates">Admin / Workflow updates </h2>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="manage-fonts-for-all-themes-in-a-dedicated-page-site-admin-theme-builder-enterprise">Manage fonts for all themes in a dedicated page <sup>[site admin][theme builder] [enterprise]</sup></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A dedicated Fonts page is now available under the Appearance menu for all themes. Until now, font management has lived deep inside Global Styles, requiring navigation through several panels to install or preview a font. This new standalone page lets block theme users browse, install, and manage their typography collection in one dedicated space. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Under the hood, this page is built on a new routing infrastructure for the Site Editor, designed to improve navigation and support new top-level pages in wp-admin. View transitions are now wired into this routing layer, providing early zoom/slide animations when navigating between pages (<a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73630">73630</a>, <a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73876">73876</a>, <a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73586">73586</a>).</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The Font Library and Global Styles also work with classic themes (<a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73971">#73971</a>,<a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73876"> #73876</a>). Like the Media Library, you can access the Font Library as a modal or through a dedicated admin section—regardless of your theme type.</p>



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<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="command-palette-in-adminbar-all">Command Palette in Adminbar <sup>[all]</sup></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Instantly access all the tools you need with a single click using the <strong>new Command Palette shortcut in the Omnibar</strong>! In 7.0 Beta 5, logged-in editors will see a field with a ⌘K or Ctrl+K symbol in the upper admin bar that unfurls the command palette when clicked. The new command palette entry point streamlines navigation and customization, giving you full control from anywhere on your site – whether you’re editing, designing or just browsing plugins.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="view-transitions-all">View Transitions  <sup>[all]</sup></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">View transitions have been integrated into the WordPress admin in 7.0, enabling smooth transitions between screens.  The implementation for the front end is slated for the next WordPress 7.1 (<a href="https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/64470">64470</a>) The result is a smoother page-to-page transitions using the CSS <a href="https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/View_Transition_API">View Transitions API </a>— no markup or JavaScript changes required, just a progressive enhancement you&#8217;ll notice immediately when navigating between admin screens.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="improved-screens-across-wp-admin-all">Improved screens across WP-Admin  <sup>[all]</sup></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">WordPress 7.0 is getting a CSS-only &#8220;coat-of-paint&#8221; visual reskin of the wp-admin, bringing the classic admin screens closer to the visual language of the block and site editors — no markup changes, no JavaScript, no functional changes, and all existing CSS class names and admin color schemes preserved. (<a href="https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/64308">64308</a>)</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>New default color scheme: &#8220;Modern&#8221; replaces &#8220;Fresh&#8221; as the default admin color scheme (#<a href="https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/64546">64546</a>)</li>



<li>Updated buttons and input fields: primary, secondary, and link buttons, plus text inputs, selects, checkboxes, and radio buttons, now align with the WordPress Design System (#<a href="https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/64547">64547</a>)</li>



<li>Updated notices: info, warning, success, and error notices refreshed for clarity and consistency (#<a href="https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/64548">64548</a>), including on the login screen</li>



<li>Updated cards and metaboxes: dashboard widgets and metaboxes get modernized styling (#<a href="https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/64549">64549</a>)</li>



<li>New <code>wp-base-styles</code> stylesheet handle: consolidates admin color scheme CSS custom properties into a single reusable stylesheet, available across the admin and the block editor content iframe</li>



<li>Login and registration screens: the WordPress logo updated from blue to gray to match the new design, and scheme styles now apply to login, install, database repair, and upgrade screens</li>
</ul>



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<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="developer-goodies-developer-enterprise">Developer Goodies <sup>[developer][enterprise]</sup></h2>



<h4 class="wp-block-heading" id="client-side-abilities-api">Client-side Abilities API </h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">WordPress 7.0 ships a JavaScript counterpart to the server-side Abilities API introduced in 6.9. The <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/03/24/client-side-abilities-api-in-wordpress-7-0/">Client-Side Abilities API</a> arrives as two packages: <code>@wordpress/abilities</code> for pure state management usable in any project, and <code>@wordpress/core-abilities</code>, which auto-fetches server-registered abilities via the REST API. You can now register browser-only abilities — navigation, block insertion, and more — opening the door to browser agents, extensions, and WebMCP integrations directly in the client. </p>



<h4 class="wp-block-heading" id="wp-ai-client">WP AI Client</h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">WordPress 7.0 ships a built-in <strong><a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/03/24/introducing-the-ai-client-in-wordpress-7-0/">AI Client</a>,</strong> that gives your plugin a single, provider-agnostic PHP entry point — <code>wp_ai_client_prompt()</code> — for text, image, speech, and video generation. You describe what you need; WordPress routes it to whichever AI provider the site owner has configured via Settings &gt; Connectors. Official provider plugins cover Anthropic, Google, and OpenAI. No credential handling, no provider lock-in, and graceful feature detection before any UI is shown.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="php-only-block-registration">PHP-only block registration</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Developers can now create simple blocks using only PHP. This is meant for blocks that only need server-side rendering and aren’t meant to be highly interactive. When possible this feature also auto-generates sidebars for user input for suitable attributes and design tools. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">To do so, call <code>register_block_type</code> with the new <code>autoRegister</code> flag. A <code>render_callback</code> function must also be provided. (<a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues/71792">71792</a>)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Dev note with all the details. <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/03/03/php-only-block-registration/">PHP-only block registration</a></p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="pattern-overrides-for-custom-blocks">Pattern Overrides for custom blocks</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Since WordPress 6.5, <a href="https://developer.wordpress.org/news/2024/06/an-introduction-to-overrides-in-synced-patterns/">Pattern Overrides</a> let you create synced patterns where the layout stays consistent but specific content can change per instance. The catch? Only four core blocks supported it: Heading, Paragraph, Button, and Image.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Not anymore. Any block attribute that supports Block Bindings now supports Pattern Overrides by default. Block authors can opt in through the server-side <a href="https://developer.wordpress.org/block-editor/reference-guides/block-api/block-bindings/#extending-supported-attributes"><code>block_bindings_supported_attributes</code></a> filter. This closes <a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues/64870">a long-requested enhancement</a> and opens up synced patterns to custom blocks (<a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73889">73889</a>).</p>



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<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="dataviews-data-form-components-and-fields-api">DataViews, Data Form components and Fields API </h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A substantial API update introduces new layouts, validation rules, grouping options, and picker improvements affecting plugins using <code>wordpress/dataviews</code>. The Dev Note has all the pertinent details: <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/03/04/dataviews-dataform-et-al-in-wordpress-7-0/">DataViews, DataForm, et al. in WordPress 7.0</a></p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="ui-primitives-and-components">UI Primitives and Components</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The WordPress UI package just got a significant update, adding multiple new components and tools to help developers create more polished and accessible interfaces for WordPress users. </p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>A new dropdown menu for creating <a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74661">standardized select controls</a>.</li>



<li>A <a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74625">tooltip component</a> for displaying helpful hints when users hover over elements.</li>



<li>The building blocks for <a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74190">creating form fields</a> with consistent styling and behavior.</li>



<li>A component that hides content <a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74189">from visual display</a> while keeping it accessible to assistive technologies.</li>



<li>A <a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74415">standardized button component</a> for creating consistent interactive elements.</li>



<li>Building blocks for grouping <a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74296">related form controls</a> together (fieldsets).</li>



<li>A component for <a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74311">displaying icons</a> consistently throughout your WordPress interface.</li>



<li>A building block for creating consistent <a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74313">layouts around input fields</a> with standardized appearance and functionality.</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A list of <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/tag/dev-notes+7-0/">all the dev notes can be reviewed from the Make Core blog</a> </p>



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";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";s:5:"child";a:2:{s:0:"";a:5:{s:5:"title";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:53:"WordPress.org blog: WordPress 7.0 Release Candidate 3";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:4:"guid";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:35:"https://wordpress.org/news/?p=20538";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:4:"link";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:69:"https://wordpress.org/news/2026/05/wordpress-7-0-release-candidate-3/";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:11:"description";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:8775:"<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The third Release Candidate (“RC3”) for WordPress 7.0 is ready for download and testing!</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>This version of the WordPress software is under development</strong>.<strong> Please do not install, run, or test this version of WordPress on production or mission-critical websites.</strong> Instead, it’s recommended that you evaluate RC3 on a test server and site.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Reaching this phase of the release cycle is an important milestone. As always, testing remains crucial to ensure that everything in WordPress 7.0 is the best it can be.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You can test WordPress 7.0 RC3 in four ways:</p>



<figure class="wp-block-table"><table class="has-fixed-layout"><tbody><tr><td><strong>Plugin</strong></td><td>Install and activate the <a href="https://wordpress.org/plugins/wordpress-beta-tester/">WordPress Beta Tester</a> plugin on a WordPress install. (Select the “Bleeding edge” channel and “Beta/RC Only” stream.)</td></tr><tr><td><strong>Direct Download</strong></td><td>Download the <a href="https://wordpress.org/wordpress-7.0-RC3.zip">RC3 version (zip)</a> and install it on a WordPress website.</td></tr><tr><td><strong>Command Line</strong></td><td>Use this <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/cli/">WP-CLI</a> command: <br /><code>wp core update --version=7.0-RC</code>3</td></tr><tr><td><strong>WordPress Playground</strong></td><td>Use the <a href="https://playground.wordpress.net/?php=8.0&amp;wp=beta&amp;networking=no&amp;language=&amp;multisite=no&amp;random=y4q1rn88xn">WordPress Playground instance</a> to test the software directly in your browser.  No setup is required – just click and go! </td></tr></tbody></table></figure>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The scheduled final release date for WordPress 7.0 is <strong>May 20, 2026</strong>. The full <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/04/22/wordpress-7-0-release-party-updated-schedule/">release schedule can be found here</a>. Your help testing Beta and RC versions is vital to making this release as stable and powerful as possible. Thank you to everyone who helps with testing!</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Please continue checking the <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/">Make WordPress Core blog</a> for <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/tag/7-0">7.0-related posts</a> in the coming weeks for more information.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">What’s in WordPress 7.0 RC3?</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Want to look deeper into the details and technical notes for this release? Take a look at the <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/tag/dev-notes+7-0/">WordPress 7.0 Developer Notes</a>. For technical information related to the 143+ issues addressed since <a href="https://wordpress.org/news/2026/03/wordpress-7-0-release-candidate-2/">RC2</a>, you can browse the following links:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://core.trac.wordpress.org/query?status=closed&amp;changetime=03%2F26%2F2026..05%2F08%2F2026&amp;milestone=7.0&amp;group=component&amp;col=id&amp;col=summary&amp;col=milestone&amp;col=changetime&amp;col=type&amp;order=id">Closed 7.0 WordPress Core Trac tickets</a> since March 26, 2026</li>



<li><a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/commits/wp/7.0?since=2026-03-26&amp;until=2026-05-08">7.0 Gutenberg commits</a> since March 26, 2026</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Note</strong>: <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/05/08/rtc-removed-from-7-0/">Real Time Collaboration will not be included</a> in the 7.0 release and will be re-evaluated during the 7.1 release cycle. Because of this, this RC3 version is no longer considered a &#8220;new Beta 1&#8221;.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">How you can contribute</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">WordPress is open source software made possible by a passionate community of people collaborating on and contributing to its development. The resources below outline various ways you can get involved with the world’s most popular open source web platform, regardless of your technical expertise.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Get involved in testing</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Testing for issues is crucial to the development of any software. It’s also a meaningful way for anyone to contribute. Your help testing the WordPress 7.0 RC3 version is key to ensuring that the final release is the best it can be.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/test/2026/02/20/help-test-wordpress-7-0/">detailed guide</a> will walk you through testing features in WordPress 7.0. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">For those new to testing, follow <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/test/handbook/get-setup-for-testing/">this general testing guide</a> for more details on getting set up.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you encounter a potential bug or issue, please report it to the <a href="https://wordpress.org/support/forum/alphabeta/">Alpha/Beta area</a> of the support forums or directly to <a href="https://core.trac.wordpress.org/newticket">WordPress Trac</a> if you are comfortable writing a reproducible bug report. You can also check your issue against a list of <a href="https://core.trac.wordpress.org/tickets/major">known bugs</a>. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Curious about testing releases in general?  Follow along with the <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/test/">testing initiatives in Make Core</a> and join the <a href="https://wordpress.slack.com/messages/core-test/">#core-test channel</a> on <a href="https://wordpress.slack.com/">Making WordPress Slack</a>.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Update your theme or plugin</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">For plugin and theme authors, your products play an integral role in extending the functionality and value of WordPress for all users.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Thanks for continuing to test your themes and plugins with the WordPress 7.0 beta releases. If you haven’t yet, make sure to conclude your testing and update the <em>“Tested up to”</em> version in your <a href="https://developer.wordpress.org/plugins/wordpress-org/how-your-readme-txt-works/">plugin’s readme file</a> to 7.0.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you find compatibility issues, please post detailed information to the <a href="https://wordpress.org/support/forum/alphabeta/">support forum</a>.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Test on your hosting platforms</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Web hosts provide vital infrastructure for supporting WordPress and its users. Testing on hosting systems helps inform the development process while ensuring that WordPress and hosting platforms are fully compatible, free of errors, optimized for the best possible user experience, and that updates roll out to customer sites without issue.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Thank you to the Hosts who helped test variations of new RTC architecture: Kinsta, Bluehost, GoDaddy, WordPress.com, XServer, and Ionos, and to <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/hosting/test-results/">the hosts who participate in distributed testing</a> regularly.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Want to test WordPress on your hosting system? <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/hosting/test-results-getting-started/">Get started with configuring distributed hosting tests here</a>.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Help translate WordPress</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Do you speak a language other than English? ¿Español? Français? Русский? 日本語? हिन्दी? বাংলা? मराठी? ಕನ್ನಡ?  You can <a href="https://translate.wordpress.org/projects/wp/dev/">help translate WordPress into more than 100 languages</a>. This release milestone (RC3) marks the <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/polyglots/handbook/glossary/#hard-freeze">hard string freeze</a> point of the <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/03/25/wordpress-7-0-release-candidate-phase/">7.0 release cycle</a>.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">An RC3 haiku</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>By the tides of sea</em>,<br /><em>where wind moves gently through trees</em>,<br /><em>sprouts up RC3</em>.</p>



<p class="has-text-align-right wp-block-paragraph"><em>Props to <a class="mention" href="https://profiles.wordpress.org/desrosj/"><span class="mentions-prefix">@</span>desrosj</a>, <a class="mention" href="https://profiles.wordpress.org/peterwilsoncc/"><span class="mentions-prefix">@</span>peterwilsoncc</a> for proofreading and review.</em></p>



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";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";s:5:"child";a:2:{s:0:"";a:5:{s:5:"title";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:97:"WordCamp Central: WordCamp Kampala 2026: Tech for Social Good in a Rapidly Evolving Digital World";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:4:"guid";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:40:"https://central.wordcamp.org/?p=14346218";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:4:"link";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:121:"https://central.wordcamp.org/news/2026/05/wordcamp-kampala-2026-tech-for-social-good-in-a-rapidly-evolving-digital-world/";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:11:"description";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:6674:"<p class="wp-block-paragraph">WordCamp Kampala 2026 returns as a gathering of the region’s WordPress community, bringing together developers, designers, content creators, entrepreneurs, educators, and tech enthusiasts for two days of learning, collaboration, and impact. Organized by the WordPress Kampala Meetup, this community-driven event continues to grow as a key platform for knowledge sharing and innovation within Uganda’s evolving digital landscape.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As part of the global WordCamp program, WordCamp Kampala is more than just a conference. It is a space where people come together to exchange ideas, build connections, and explore how WordPress and related tech can be used to solve real-world problems. Each year, the event is shaped by a theme that reflects both local needs and global trends. In 2026, that theme is <strong>“Tech for Social Good.”</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This year’s theme speaks directly to the moment we are in. Technology is evolving at an unprecedented pace, with artificial intelligence transforming how websites are built, how content is created, and how digital products are managed. These rapid changes present both opportunities and challenges. <strong>For many in the WordPress ecosystem, the questions are becoming more urgent: What skills matter most in this new era? How do we adapt to AI-driven tools while staying relevant? And most importantly, how do we ensure that technology continues to serve people in meaningful ways?</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">WordCamp Kampala 2026 responds to these questions by shifting the focus beyond efficiency and automation toward purpose and impact. “Tech for Social Good” emphasizes the responsible use of WordPress and emerging technologies to create inclusive, accessible, and sustainable digital solutions. It is a call to action for the community to think beyond building websites, and instead consider how those websites and tools can improve lives, support education, and empower underserved communities.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The event will feature a range of talks, workshops, and interactive sessions designed to equip attendees with both practical skills and forward-looking insights. Participants will explore topics such as web development, content strategy, digital accessibility, and the integration of AI into WordPress workflows. More importantly, they will engage in conversations about ethics, sustainability, and the human side of technology, ensuring that innovation does not come at the cost of inclusivity.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A key highlight of WordCamp Kampala 2026 is the <strong>Contributor Day</strong>, where attendees have the opportunity to actively participate in the global WordPress project. Whether contributing to code, documentation, translations, or community support, participants move from being consumers of technology to contributors shaping its future. This hands-on experience not only builds skills but also strengthens the spirit of open-source collaboration that WordPress is built on.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Equally impactful is the <strong>Do-Action initiative</strong>, which brings the theme of social good to life. During the Do-Action, participants will collaborate to build or improve websites for differently abled schools and educational institutions. This initiative focuses on mentorship, skill transfer, and sustainability, ensuring that the benefits extend far beyond the event itself. By working on real projects that serve real communities, attendees experience firsthand how technology can be used as a force for positive change.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">What makes WordCamp Kampala unique is its strong sense of community. The event is powered by volunteers who dedicate their time and energy to create a welcoming and inclusive environment. It is a space where beginners feel encouraged to learn, professionals feel inspired to share, and everyone feels part of something bigger. This collaborative spirit is what transforms WordCamp from a typical tech event into a meaningful community experience.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Beyond the sessions and activities, WordCamp Kampala 2026 offers valuable opportunities for networking and connection. Attendees will meet like-minded individuals, potential collaborators, and industry leaders, building relationships that often lead to new projects, partnerships, and career growth. These connections are a vital part of the WordCamp experience, helping to strengthen the broader tech ecosystem in Uganda.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As technology continues to evolve, events like WordCamp Kampala play an important role in helping communities adapt and thrive. They provide a space to ask difficult questions, explore new ideas, and collectively shape the future of the web. By focusing on “Tech for Social Good,” WordCamp Kampala 2026 ensures that this future is not only innovative but also inclusive and impactful.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Ultimately, WordCamp Kampala 2026 is about people. It is about volunteers giving their time, speakers sharing their knowledge, and attendees supporting one another as they navigate a rapidly changing digital world. It is about using technology not just to build, but to uplift, empower, and create lasting change.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As the community gathers in May 2026, WordCamp Kampala stands as a reminder that the true power of technology lies not in the tools themselves, but in how we choose to use them.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Do not miss the opportunity to learn, connect, and be part of a community using WordPress to create real impact. We hope to see you at WordCamp Kampala 2026.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://kampala.wordcamp.org/tickets/">Be part of the movement. Get your ticket to WordCamp Kampala 2026.</a></p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The <a href="https://wordpressfoundation.org/kim-parsell-memorial-scholarship/">Kim Parsell Memorial Scholarship</a> is a scholarship created by the WordPress Foundation in <strong>2015</strong> to honor <strong>Kim Parsell</strong>, a highly respected contributor in the WordPress open-source community. She was affectionately known as <strong>“WPMom”</strong> because of how welcoming and supportive she was to new contributors. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The Kim Parsell Memorial Scholarship provides annual funding for one WordPress contributor who identifies as a woman to attend WordCamp US, WordCamp Asia, or WordCamp Europe; the flagship events for the WordPress community.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This was my first time visiting India, and it marked the beginning of an unforgettable journey. I traveled with my husband, and from the moment we arrived in Mumbai, everything felt alive; the movement, the people, the energy. Even before the event began, the city itself was already an experience.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">However, the journey didn’t start perfectly. When I landed, my suitcase didn’t arrive with me. Standing in a new country without my belongings was stressful, and for a moment, I didn’t know what to do. But somehow, that challenge became part of the story. I quickly adapted, bought essentials, and chose not to let it ruin the experience.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Then came the main reason for the trip: <a href="https://asia.wordcamp.org/2026"><strong>WordCamp Asia 2026</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://asia.wordcamp.org/2026/volunteers/#:~:text=Dilip%20Modhavadiya-,Dorcus%20Nalubega,-Dulcea%20Suresha">Volunteering</a> at the event was something I will always be proud of. It gave me a completely different perspective. Instead of just attending, I became part of the team that made it all happen. Being behind the scenes at such a global event was both humbling and inspiring.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">One of the moments that stood out most for me was the <a href="https://asia.wordcamp.org/2026/session/fireside-chat/">Fireside Chat – Shilpa Shah &amp; Mary Hubbard</a> and the <a href="https://asia.wordcamp.org/2026/session/closing-keynote-wordpress-co-founder-matt-mullenweg/">Q&amp;A session with Mary Hubbard and Matt Mullenweg</a>. Listening to their insights reminded me why community matters so much in WordPress. Their words stayed with me long after the session ended.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Outside the conference, Mumbai continued to reveal itself in beautiful ways.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We stayed at Sofitel Mumbai BKC, where the hospitality was warm and comforting—something I truly appreciated after long event days. Food, on the other hand, was an adventure of its own. I quickly realized that Indian cuisines are much spicier than what I’m used to. I didn’t eat much, but I still enjoyed trying new dishes, even when they were too hot for me.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We also found time to explore.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Visiting the Gateway of India was surreal. Seeing it in person, especially in the evening, felt like stepping into a postcard. Southern Mumbai was equally beautiful, filled with history, architecture, and ocean views that made everything feel calm and timeless.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But one of the most memorable experiences was something simple, taking the local train. It was crowded, fast-paced, and completely different from anything I had experienced before. Yet, it gave me a real glimpse into everyday life in Mumbai. That moment stayed with me.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Of course, there were small challenges along the way. Communication wasn’t always easy, and at times we struggled with the language barrier. But what stood out was how kind and patient people were. Even when words failed, kindness didn’t.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">What made this journey even more special were the people who helped me along the way.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">From those who supported me before the trip, to those who stepped in when I needed help at the airport, to the friends who showed me around the city, each person added something meaningful to my experience. Their kindness turned a good trip into a great one.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">No journey is ever made meaningful by places alone, it is the people we meet along the way who leave the deepest impressions. I would like to extend my heartfelt gratitude to those who made my time in Mumbai truly unforgettable. My sincere thanks to <strong>Caroline Harrison</strong> for thoughtfully coordinating my hotel arrangements and ensuring my stay at Sofitel was smooth and comfortable from beginning to end. Your support before and throughout the trip brought such ease and reassurance.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">To <strong>Vishal Mukadam</strong>, thank you for stepping in when I needed help most, your determination at the airport to ensure my suitcase was located and delivered to the hotel was extraordinary. I am equally grateful for the unforgettable local train journey and visit to the Gateway of India, an experience that became one of the most memorable highlights of my trip.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A warm thank you to <strong>Aditya Kane and wife</strong> for your incredible kindness, generosity, and hospitality. You welcomed us with such warmth that Mumbai felt less like a destination and more like home. And to <strong>Priyanka</strong>, thank you for sharing your time, friendship, and for showing me more of Mumbai’s beauty beyond the usual sights. Your presence added so much joy, laughter, and meaning to my stay.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">To each of you: thank you for your kindness, your generosity, and for making this journey not just a trip, but a deeply cherished memory.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Looking back, this wasn’t just a trip to attend an event. It was a journey of growth.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I learned how to adapt when things don’t go as planned. I experienced a new culture in a deeply personal way. I connected with people from around the world. And most importantly, I contributed to something bigger than myself.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The Kim Parsell Scholarship didn’t just take me to Mumbai, it gave me an experience that changed how I see the world and my place in the WordPress community.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As I returned home, I carried more than memories. I carried lessons, gratitude, and a renewed sense of purpose.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And for that, I will always be thankful. Thank you WordPress and the entire WordCamp Asia organizing team. You gave me a new purpose</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:00:19] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Welcome to the Jukebox Podcast from WP Tavern. My name is Nathan Wrigley.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Jukebox is a podcast which is dedicated to all things WordPress. The people, the events, the plugins, the blocks, the themes, and in this case, exploring AI&#8217;s impact in WordPress agencies.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you&#8217;d like to subscribe to the podcast, you can do that by searching for WP Tavern in your podcast player of choice, or by going to wptavern.com/feed/podcast, and you can copy that URL into most podcast players.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you have a topic that you&#8217;d like us to feature on the podcast, I&#8217;m keen to hear from you and hopefully get you, or your idea, featured on the show. Head to wptavern.com/contact/jukebox and use the form there.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So on the podcast today we have Matt Schwartz. Matt runs Inspry, an Atlanta WordPress and Woo Commerce agency. He started it back in 2011 and has been working with WordPress even longer than that. In addition to his agency work, he also has a product called CheckView focused on WordPress testing. He&#8217;s got years of experience in the WordPress agency world, and recently he&#8217;s turned much of his attention towards the growing impact of AI.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you&#8217;ve been hearing a lot about AI but a feeling fatigued by all the fragmented conversations, this episode might well offer a different perspective. Rather than focusing on how AI creates websites or content, Matt shares a different angle, how AI can be used inside a WordPress agency to enhance processes, improve workflows, and deliver more value to clients, with much of it happening behind the scenes.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We start by talking about how Matt stumbled into web design and how that led him to running his own agency. We dig into agency life, and why so many freelancers and agency owners are constantly iterating on their processes. From there, we talk about the big shift that&#8217;s happening, not just in building sites, but in how agencies can use AI to streamline their SOPs, client communication, and internal operations.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Matt explains the need for intention when adding AI to an agency. He introduces the idea of an AI vision document, that helps set guardrails and guidelines for where, and how, AI should factor into your business. He also shares real examples of ways AI can save time and stress in things like meetings, proposals, debugging, support, and even helping you expand your service offerings. We also touch on the risks, ethical considerations, and the importance of keeping a human in the loop during critical agency moments.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you&#8217;re running a WordPress agency, or are curious about how agencies are adapting to the rapid pace of change, brought by AI, this episode is for you. This is part one in a two-part series, so listen to this and tune in next week for part two.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you&#8217;re interested in finding out more, you can find all of the links in the show notes by heading to wptavern.com/podcast, where you&#8217;ll find all the other episodes as well.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And so without further delay, I bring you Matt Schwartz.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I am joined on the podcast by Matt Schwartz. Hello, Matt.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:03:45] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Hey Nathan. Thank you so much for having me today. I&#8217;m excited.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:03:48] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah, you&#8217;re very welcome. We&#8217;re on the podcast today to have a chat about AI. Now, before you hit the stop button, dear listener, because AI is all the rage everywhere, we&#8217;ve talked about it a million different ways. I think there&#8217;s something a little bit different about the conversation that we&#8217;re going to have today, because it particularly plays into the WordPress agency, kind of the stuff that you are not doing with the website directly, but all of the bits and pieces that allow you to have an agency, and how AI may or may not be best placed to insert itself in those different scenarios.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But before we begin that, Matt, do you mind just giving us your little bio? Maybe tell us a bit about your situation regarding WordPress agencies and whatnot.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:04:31] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Definitely. Yeah, so I run an agency called In Inspry in Atlanta. We&#8217;ve been around since 2011. We&#8217;ve been using WordPress since 2013, and also have a product called CheckView, which does WordPress testing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But yeah, in the agency space specifically, you know, I&#8217;ve been talking to a lot of different agencies about AI. I&#8217;ve been pretty involved in it. And you&#8217;re totally right, Nathan, our goal today is not to make everyone just have to experience the verbal throw up of the word AI, AI, AI over and over again, which is, I feel like I&#8217;m sick of the word. But really going into how agencies can use it in, I think, really interesting ways, and also being candid about what AI is, and some of the pitfalls I think of it that, you know, aren&#8217;t always talked about, especially if you go on LinkedIn.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:05:15] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Okay, so we&#8217;ll get into that in a moment, but just before we do, there&#8217;s a couple of interesting bits that I want to throw at you. And this is something that I heard in the British press not that long ago. And it doesn&#8217;t in any way, shape or form reflect on WordPress, it was just more generally about AI, and the fatigue that the general population are experiencing around that term.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And it feels like we have reached maximum capacity to just hear those words, and hear the overpromising and the potentially under delivery of AI. So I&#8217;ll throw that little bit in, but also, just to say that what we&#8217;re going to talk about today is not going to be how to get the pixels on the page, and how to use AI to turn the website out. This is much more going to be the background to the agency that you run and all of that kind of thing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So before we begin, did you intentionally get into web design all those years ago, or were you more like just about everybody that I talked to, did you stumble into it a little bit more?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:06:13] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> So I stumbled into it in the sense that I started when I was basically a kid. You know, I was like obsessed with building websites for like clubs, and middle school, you know, we had tables and HTML. I think Template Monster was around then. And I would just go to the website and look at these beautiful designs that I knew I couldn&#8217;t make.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So then, from there I built websites all through middle school, high school. Got paid, I think from my first one it was my Mom&#8217;s work. She worked at a dentist. It was awesome that he let me do that. And, you know, he paid me a couple thousand bucks, which was a lot in high school. And then from there I just built sites through college. We were in Drupal land over at University of Georgia. So that was a little harsh reality for the first CMS I ever used actually.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But I really just enjoyed building websites through that process. And I remember graduating in Information Systems in the Business School and being like, I think I&#8217;m just going to keep building websites. I think I like doing this. So I didn&#8217;t go the consultant route or anything like that, I just stuck with websites. So I stumbled into it when I was a kid, but I definitely chose to stay in it after that.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:07:17] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah. And what&#8217;s curious about that, and it maps very much what I did, almost every word that you said could map into my own life. Is that you, not working for a company, you are never sort of given the SOP. You have to do the SOP. You have to figure it out as you progress on your journey over the years. So every process that you&#8217;ve got, every thing that you do, every price point that you make, every email that you create as a template, you&#8217;re probably generating that yourself.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And so that kind of leans heavily into what we&#8217;re going to do today, because I felt that journey never ended. Part of being an agency owner was always this constant exploration of not the website itself, that kind of handled itself, more the, what&#8217;s the process? How do I get new clients? What are the backend systems that I&#8217;m going to use to make it all work?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And so I think freelancers in particular in the WordPress space have got that. And so they&#8217;re probably constantly looking around, very much beguiled in the more recent past by what AI can do to them.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And so let&#8217;s start, you&#8217;ve listed out very kindly a whole load of show notes for me. And the first point that you wanted to get into was, well, the big shift. So let&#8217;s start there.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:08:26] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Yeah, definitely. So I think one thing that we&#8217;ve seen as agency owners is, oh, websites and content now can start to be built by AI. And everyone&#8217;s talked about that, like you said. But I think what is more interesting is what you&#8217;re bringing up, which is around more the process of using AI. Which, if you are a freelancer and you have not looked at your process, please do. I didn&#8217;t look at my process for like years, and I would just repeat the same thing over and over again. It wasn&#8217;t until I actually started hiring people that I realised that was even really a thing. I know that&#8217;s sad, but that&#8217;s the reality. So if you haven&#8217;t, definitely look at that.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But when it comes to AI, I think being able to use it for process and your SOPs and automation, that&#8217;s really where I think it&#8217;s actually going to make the biggest impact for agencies that do want to use AI.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Because essentially, not every agency&#8217;s this way, this is a generalisation, but as a customer, or a client of an agency, they don&#8217;t see the difference between one website and another typically outside of the design, right? They don&#8217;t really know the technical know-how. But what they do see is, what is your workflow? What is your process? What is your touch points with them? And that&#8217;s ultimately what ends up being the product to your clients.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So I think as an agency owner, being able to use AI to make that process easier, and more clear, to your clients is what will really allow you to thrive. Not necessarily, just the content and executing building the website. Sure, AI may be able to help there, but that actually goes into the bigger process in my opinion.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:10:01] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Okay, so we&#8217;ll definitely get into all of those, but I think basically the case you are making is that there is a there, there. There is something behind the AI that could definitely improve things.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I think it&#8217;s fairly unlikely that anybody listening to this podcast hasn&#8217;t dabbled in some way with a little bit of AI, but maybe there&#8217;s a handful of people out there who genuinely haven&#8217;t. And the last 20 years have been marked by fairly gradual improvements in things. You know, SaaS apps came along and they gradually improved and one superseded another. But again, it was incremental.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But over the last three or four years, I think that&#8217;s all gone out the window. Incremental&#8217;s no longer really a word. It&#8217;s seismic this week, seismic next week, seismic the week after that. Keeping up is going to be difficult. But anyway, needless to say, you are going to make the case that there are areas where AI smuggled into your business is going to be useful.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Can I just ask at the beginning, do you in any way show the AI to your clients? In other words, is there a moment where they get to see behind the curtain, oh, Matt, look, he did that with AI, or do you kind of have this curtain which protects you from the client, so that they never see that you are using AI? It&#8217;s a bit like how everybody who was a freelancer always uses the word team. They sort of pretend that there&#8217;s like nine of you, but there&#8217;s actually only one of you. So it&#8217;s a bit like that. Do you hide the AI from your clients or do you let them know that this is what you&#8217;re doing?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:11:30] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> So when it comes to the product, we definitely let clients know if we are using it in their product. Because I think, at least from my ethical standpoint, I think you should do that. I don&#8217;t want to be in a case where we&#8217;re not doing that. But I do think when it comes to your process and internal workflows, no, we don&#8217;t typically need to do those things.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The only time we would do that is if we&#8217;re actually working with a client to improve their internal processes with AI. Then they may be seeing a parallel setup to what we&#8217;ve done, even at our own agency.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:11:58] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah. There are some people who kind of revel in the, no AI, if you like, so they make that a badge of honour within their business, whether it&#8217;s an agency in the WordPress space or anything else. And so obviously they would probably want to proclaim from the rooftops that they&#8217;re not using any AI. But I think yours is a fairly standard position. You know, if it doesn&#8217;t actually affect what they&#8217;re doing day to day, why would you need to use that? In the same way that you don&#8217;t need to tell your client, well, we&#8217;re using Salesforce in order to communicate with you. It&#8217;s just, there&#8217;s the URL, go to that and type your ticket in there and so on.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So your second point, why now? Why is it important right at this moment? So we&#8217;re recording this, I don&#8217;t know, towards the end of April, let&#8217;s say that, 2026. Is this like some sort of red line in the sand? Are we about to enter a Rubicon moment where we can&#8217;t go backwards?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:12:47] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Well, I don&#8217;t know. It&#8217;s seismic every week as you said. So I do think the gap is widening between agencies that are not using AI and using AI. But that doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean, in my opinion, you should just like hop on the AI train if you&#8217;re not currently deep in it. You do have to think about what makes sense to your agency and what you&#8217;re comfortable with.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But I think it really comes back to the fact that execution is becoming a commodity more and more, at least in the web agency space. If you&#8217;re building a brochure site, right, those tools are essentially becoming more and more replaced. Just like drag and drop builders came in and now this is kind of, in my opinion, the next iteration. It&#8217;ll be less about the execution of building a simple website. It&#8217;ll be more about, what is the true value of your agency to that client?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Which in a sense is not a bad thing, because this was always an argument before. You know, are you an agency that builds solutions for clients? It makes them money, or saves them money. Or are you an agency that just executes what they say? And there&#8217;s definitely a place for that. I think there will always be a place for that, but I think when you look at like a brochure site, it&#8217;s harder, I think, to make that argument than if it&#8217;s like an e-commerce site or a custom app, because the tools are just getting better.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So as an agency, I think there is an edge here with AI because clients are going to have higher expectations. You&#8217;re going to compete against companies that are using AI to do better touchpoint, to do more touchpoints, to having a better process.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Now, of course, that is dependent if they implement AI correctly, right? User error and AI is like any technology, that is definitely a major concern, guardrails, all that good stuff. But I think that is why this is the time, because if you&#8217;re not already looking at it, your competitors are definitely looking at using it in some capacity.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:14:40] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Just something you said really struck home there. You said execution is a commodity. I&#8217;ve never heard that phrase, but that encapsulates so much, so well. I think that&#8217;s really interesting.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And I also share your moment in time analogy because I think we are at some moment where the seesaw, I don&#8217;t know if you use that word where you come from. The seesaw is definitely tipping to the point where, in the part of the world where I live, virtually everybody is aware of it. We mentioned that maybe there&#8217;s fatigue about it, but certainly almost everybody has had some exposure to it. They&#8217;re now aligned with what can be done, and at what cost, and for what amount of time.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And so it does feel like if you were to go and say, I don&#8217;t know, I&#8217;m going to build you a $5,000 brochure website with two pages, maybe a few years ago that was much more credible than it seems like now. And so this horizon of expectations is opening up. And it&#8217;s not just because we can do it, it&#8217;s because the clients, they know we can do it. And they know that things are going to be cheaper to produce en masse in the future.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So I think you&#8217;re probably right. So again, you&#8217;ve made the case for, this is the time. So not just that this is a good idea, but this is the time. Anything else to add onto that before we move on to your next one?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:15:56] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> The only thing I would add to that is, you know, AI could be an edge for you. It could also be not using AI at all, because ultimately it&#8217;s about the value you&#8217;re providing, again, to your client. So you may be able to build a two page, $5,000 website using AI, but essentially if you&#8217;re able to provide value to that client in some other way, whether it&#8217;s your sales process, your overall process, your personality, whatever it is, that all plays into this. So I would keep that in mind.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But overall, you are correct. I think the floor is rising for everyone. And this is real dark, but AI to me only showed us that a lot of the work we do day to day, it&#8217;s just not that special, it&#8217;s execution. And that just means we need to be spending more time on the strategy and the value to the client, whether that&#8217;s using AI or not. But I think using AI to at least look at that is a good idea, if you haven&#8217;t done that up to this point, I think it&#8217;s the time to at least look.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:16:54] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah, I expect the calculus that&#8217;s going on in most, and I&#8217;m using air quotes here, normal people&#8217;s heads. So when I&#8217;m talking about that, I mean non-technical clients who might be coming, looking for a website for their bricks and mortar shop or whatever it may be. The calculus of AI is just this shrinking of time. The thing which probably would&#8217;ve taken a week to do, you know, okay, I&#8217;m going to phone you up, we&#8217;re going to set up a meeting, we&#8217;ll have that meeting, we&#8217;ll back and forth what we might want. And then a week or two later, you&#8217;ll show me a few wire frames or something like that.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That all seems now to have been crunched into literal minutes. That&#8217;s no longer a secret. I think at the beginning of the AI, movement, let&#8217;s call it that, a few years ago, I think there was a call that you could basically say, make more money, because the client&#8217;s expectations would be the same in terms of time, and the amount of expertise that was needed.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But that seems to be shrinking as well, because now the clients are aware that the AI can do that thing. Look, you just knocked it up with AI in three minutes. No, we&#8217;re not going to pay you for six weeks for that kind of thing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Okay so, right, there we go. So that&#8217;s the now. Then you move on to something that I&#8217;ve not even thought about before, which is creating an AI vision document. Now you&#8217;re going to need to explain what you mean by that I think.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:18:08] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Yeah, definitely. So the idea really with this is being more purposeful about adding AI. At least in the past, at my agency, you know, I&#8217;d wake up one day freaking out and be like, we&#8217;ve got to try to see how this works. Does this make sense to add AI to this process? And it wouldn&#8217;t be very purposely built. It would just be like, hey, let&#8217;s try this.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And to some extent that experimentation is good, but at the same time, I think if you are a lot more methodical about that process, it will be better for the long-term use of AI. Because as I&#8217;ve said, I definitely have, maybe I didn&#8217;t say, I have hesitations about AI and I use it, right? I think that&#8217;s the paradox of what&#8217;s happening. A lot of people are using it, but we&#8217;re not all trustful of it. But we can see that there are potential gains and you want to be on the cutting edge.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But ultimately, the vision document, the idea is that you will create a document that outlines all of your processes at your company, at your agency. And see what are the things that you want to add AI to, what makes sense, things that are repetitive, that the team is losing time on, compared to things that really require human judgement.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So it&#8217;s not just like shove AI into everything. This AI document sounds like that&#8217;s what it is. But it&#8217;s actually like, there may be many places we don&#8217;t want AI at all, or we may want to have a guard for human judgement. And I think that&#8217;s actually a really good idea to protect your agency from risk and really just your reputation. Because otherwise, I think a lot of agencies are just kind of, you know, yolo, adding it everywhere and not really thinking about it from a high level.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The other neat thing you can do if you&#8217;re building this is, obviously you can use AI to help find patterns in your business from using your time tracking software to see who is working on what tasks, and what&#8217;s taking the longest. And being like, are these good places that we could use AI? Like I can connect Claude to Everhour that we use, and it can spit out who&#8217;s working on what in the past month. And I actually can get a good pattern, because one thing you can, I will say with AI is it&#8217;s pretty good at pattern recognition. That&#8217;s what it was built for. So if you just need like a high level idea, again, grain of salt, but at a high level, it&#8217;s pretty good at that.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So I think for a vision document, pulling all that data in, using AI and then setting these guardrails, figuring out what in your team&#8217;s processes you can build into a vision is a good idea. And that goes into the high level point I made, which was really, I think AI being used for more process and agency is the big thing here, more than anything.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:20:42] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> I suppose if you&#8217;re the agency owner as well, and obviously agency could be like three people, two people, right up to, you know, several hundreds, maybe thousands, who knows. If you are at the, towards the top of that pyramid, let&#8217;s put it that way, knowing when and where it&#8217;s going to be used is really important. You need to know that, okay, our support, 80% of our support is going to be handled by AI. That&#8217;s the thing that we&#8217;ve leaned into. We&#8217;re going to do it that way.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Or maybe you are exactly the opposite. You know, we&#8217;ve learned, our customer base are very dissatisfied with the kind of answers that they get, because of the nature of our company and the expertise that we need to bring to bear. So we&#8217;re not going to do any AI for support.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But also development, to know, okay, this is the moment where you must stop using AI. When you run into this snag, we&#8217;re going to deal with that as humans. We&#8217;re going to huddle together, figure it out as humans, and maybe take it back to the AI at that point.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But having that overarching understanding, and writing it down. Having an SOP, if you like, for AI so that everybody&#8217;s on the same page and knows where it&#8217;s permissible and not permissible. So you mentioned you&#8217;ve got a whole laundry list of possible things. So it might be in the sales process, the delivery process, the proposal stage, project management, QA, launch. There&#8217;s a whole bunch on here.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Yeah, that seems like a really neat idea, and not something that I&#8217;d figured out. And it&#8217;s kind of like, keeps you honest in a way. It means that this is what we&#8217;ve agreed to do as a company, these are the boundaries that we&#8217;re going to set ourselves. And they can change, but for now, this is what they are.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:22:14] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Yeah. I think that even if you&#8217;re not, again, jumping in the deep end of AI, just having a doc like this will protect you so that I think you do have these guardrails with your employees or your contractors. You know who&#8217;s using what, and you can really protect your agency even if it&#8217;s not implementing more AI, right? I think it&#8217;s just a good idea.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And like you said, writing it down, it&#8217;s funny, it&#8217;s kind of like when you build your agency, you write your mission statement and your values and that really does do something in, I think, the human psyche when you do that. And I think that can be applied here with the AI vision document too.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:22:47] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> I love your fourth point, which you&#8217;ve entitled, AI as a new core service offering. Because this feels like a really nice sweet spot. Because with the best will in the world, you and I, and probably a lot of the people that are listening to this podcast are very much into technology. We deliberately put ourselves in front of new tech, new features, new widgets, new gadgets, whatever. So we&#8217;re beguiled by it. But the truth is, we know there&#8217;s a lot of people out there that aren&#8217;t, probably don&#8217;t really want to get all that close to it. And so I think what you are suggesting here is, why not offer your AI expertise that you gain as an actual service to clients? Have I got that right?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:23:24] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Correct. So essentially, like you said, if you&#8217;re already building up these new technology skills, being able to apply this directly in a, I would say in the proper way, right? Like we&#8217;re seeing, again, AI thrown in everywhere. You have to know your clients and your customers. They may not want to hear the word AI. What they may want to hear it instead is, hey, I can fix your business workflow and I can save you thousands of dollars, and we can automate this. They don&#8217;t want to hear the word AI, and that&#8217;s okay. But it&#8217;s essentially AI at the end of the day, right?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So it may not be that the product offerings actually use the word AI. If anything personally, I&#8217;m kind of avoiding that, at least at our agency. Of course I&#8217;ll tell them it&#8217;s using AI, but it&#8217;s not what I lead with. I think it&#8217;s more about going in on, okay, what solutions can we provide clients and using this as a new offering, especially as a way to handle and mitigate what&#8217;s happening with brochure sites, right?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Brochure sites I think are going to continue to drop and you need to provide value to clients. And I think getting closer to their actual processes, there&#8217;s a couple different ways you could do this. Like I know some agencies that are using AI to build custom web apps, like lightweight internal ones. Which I think can be helpful, but I have concerns around the risks and security of that because I do know some agencies that are, again, are just yolo building it. I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re doing the due diligence. But I do think there&#8217;s a way that you can build, let&#8217;s say an app that used to cost 50,000 for 10,000 now, right? Or 8,000 and do it mostly like the right way, do human review of the code. So it&#8217;s still something that they couldn&#8217;t have done at all before. They couldn&#8217;t have had this custom internal app.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And I think that is the argument for people that say, hey, I&#8217;m going to replace all my SaaS products. It&#8217;s not, in my opinion, you replace all your SaaS products. If you can build a SaaS internally that is built specifically for your business, and you feel like you can maintain and build it properly at the right cost, sure. You&#8217;re willing to do that. But if there&#8217;s a SaaS product out there that does exactly what you need, I&#8217;m going to pay the $30, and then go yell at that company. I&#8217;m not going to build it internally. So having these conversations with clients, if you&#8217;re going to build custom apps, I know I went on a little side tangent, but I think that&#8217;s really important say.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And then the other one I&#8217;ll mention as far as AI core offerings is using more automation with tools like n8n or any of those Make type tools. n8n, I would say is a little more advanced, but the benefit is clients are hearing about AI, they realise it can do a lot, and starting to ask them, well, how can I help save you money or make you money in your processes? So productising or creating SOPs that are more automated. Even using those tools for your own customers, I think can be huge. Because then you&#8217;re really getting to value directly with them.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Like, brochure sites, I think the problem is, it&#8217;s almost subjective sometimes the value, which I&#8217;ve always struggled with, depending on the client. But things like their processes and them seeing you automate this stuff, they see the value immediately. So it&#8217;s an easy sale that you can make. And you can provide that value, and potentially even get recurring income off of that. Because maybe you&#8217;re hosting the automation for them or you&#8217;re tweaking the automation. So those are some ways you can mitigate, I think what&#8217;s going on with AI.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:26:50] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> The next one, I&#8217;m just going to skirt over quite quickly because I think everybody can kind of grasp this. One of the things which AI is obviously superior, let&#8217;s go with that word, to the typical human, is its capacity to wrap its arms around a massive amount of data, and kind of make sense of its straight away.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">One of the areas where I think you are saying this could be deployed pretty effectively is in things like marketing, where having an understanding of, I don&#8217;t know, geography, spending power in different geographical locations, what kind of products are going to service the market that you are launching into, and therefore how to build websites, pages that kind of react to that and will work well.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That&#8217;s the kind of thing that was always off limits to me. I wasn&#8217;t interested in the marketing side. Looking at that data, trying to digest that data, it was just never of interest to me. And now, I think everybody can understand that you point an AI in the right direction and it can draw conclusions, which are just so much more credible than somebody like me could summon up in six months of hard work, really.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:27:53] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Well,I mean I think you could sum it up, but I think you bring up a really good point, which is that with AI, it can pull in all this data and it can give you, I would say, summaries and next points that you just wouldn&#8217;t have done before. I actually think that&#8217;s the sweet spot with AI is, are we using this to replace a really good existing setup, or are we doing something that we literally couldn&#8217;t even do before because the client couldn&#8217;t afford it?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So I think that&#8217;s what&#8217;s really neat is I can be like, okay, client, we looked through your Freshdesk, we looked through all the data you gave us. Here&#8217;s what we saw your personas. And before, there&#8217;s just no way, as an agency, I would be offering that at the budget that they could afford, or maybe the interest as an agency to do that. So I think that is, a really neat thing is, especially for small businesses, we can offer them services that they just wouldn&#8217;t even be able to have in the past at the budget that they have.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:28:46] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Okay, so really you are kind of broadening the product offering that you can have. I mean nobody here is going to advocate that you just use an AI and regurgitate whatever it says without some background knowledge that what you are saying makes sense. There clearly needs to be a bit of that. But the amassing of the data with some common sense, heuristics around what it is that the data is showing you.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Okay, that&#8217;s interesting. So maybe there&#8217;s some sort of low hanging fruit that previously you would&#8217;ve said no to and, look, we just don&#8217;t do that. You can now not only retroactively sort of say, yes, we now do that, but maybe even proactively say, look, we&#8217;ve got these other things that we can discuss as well. Okay, that&#8217;s interesting.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Right, here&#8217;s the next bit, and this is, I think if you are not an AI expert, and I definitely would consider myself in that bucket, I think this next one is some really great low hanging fruit to get you started. So this is, your number six, is AI inside agency operations. So this is using AI to make work easier, I guess would be an easy way to say it. So just run us through these points.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:29:51] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Definitely. So this is probably, if you&#8217;re familiar with AI, the most common uses. But essentially it&#8217;s going to be, you know, things like your meeting summaries, right? I think everyone has seen the bots that join in and, you know, there&#8217;s like 10 bots and there&#8217;s like two people and we&#8217;re like, are we in dystopia? Or it&#8217;s you and like 10 bots, and the other person doesn&#8217;t show up and you&#8217;re like, am I supposed to just talk to this bot? I think Mark Zuckerberg actually says he&#8217;s starting to have a bot fill in for him at meetings. Anyways, very dystopian.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But when it comes to meeting summaries and that sort of thing, I think where it can be really helpful if you&#8217;re not using it, again is, in the past, if I was having these discovery calls where I may not actually land this client, I don&#8217;t want to spend 20 hours trying to figure out the perfect proposal for them. It&#8217;s just not worth my time, basically, right?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So what this lets you do is it lets you, as an agency, do things you couldn&#8217;t do before, or you didn&#8217;t have the budget and resources to do. One would be on discovery. I can now take all the meeting notes, I can have it go to the client&#8217;s website and I can also have it look at my previous proposals. And I can have it put together a solution for this client, in terms of like what proposal makes sense for them.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">To your point, I&#8217;m still going to review it. I&#8217;m still going to edit it. I&#8217;m still going to make sure that this makes sense, but I think that&#8217;s a perfect sweet spot again for AI. I know I keep saying it. Something I just wouldn&#8217;t have done before. I would&#8217;ve like, either I just spent 20 hours on it or sent a very generic proposal just to get something out the door. Now I can make it really a lot more nuanced because it can go through all that data.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So if you&#8217;re not using it for summaries or proposals or SOWs, I think a draft version of that, it&#8217;s really good at those sort of things with combining all the data.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:31:36] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> I am so surprised by how quickly that remarkable technology became utterly mundane. That is say that three years ago, the first time somebody dropped in a Zoom meeting with an AI bot, I thought, okay, that&#8217;s really unusual, what&#8217;s going on here? And then within three minutes you get the email after the call is finished and you see this perfect summarisation of exactly what you talked about, including correctly labelled next tasks for each of the individuals on the call.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That to me was, I was living in Star Trek. And now that just seems so pedestrian. And that&#8217;s remarkable. That&#8217;s the speed at which we&#8217;ve become adapted, and it&#8217;s become part of our modus operandi.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And if you haven&#8217;t used those, it&#8217;s really worth a try because you will experience the amazement that I had three years ago. And then you too can become completely numb to how amazing it is really quickly.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It literally will take an hour of audio and spit out a basically perfect summary in 150 words or whatever it may be, and it will capture it perfectly. I suppose the rebuttal to that is, well, what do you do with that? If nobody does anything with that then, well, you haven&#8217;t really lost anything. You&#8217;re in exactly the same place as you were before, but at least you&#8217;ve got a written record of it.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But like I say, that&#8217;s the low hanging fruit. They&#8217;re definitely things. SOWs, SOPs, meeting summaries, that kind of thing. Great idea.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Okay, next one. Number seven. AI for support workflows. What&#8217;s going on here?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:33:04] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Yeah, so this one&#8217;s a little bit more about the actual operations. But I&#8217;ve talked to some agencies that are starting to really build into their support process AI tools. For example, using things like n8n, the automation platform, where it can digest your help tickets. And we&#8217;re not necessarily going to have it solve the problems, right? But what it can do, again, is it&#8217;s going to have access to a lot of data about that website. It may have access to your project management software, all the other tickets that came in.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And unlike a human where it would take hours to do this, so we just aren&#8217;t going to do it, it can do a really good job of essentially making sure that we can have all the information we need for the support person to do what they need to do, the support team, right? So it can even give good initial resolutions for the team to do, so that they can work through tickets faster.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That&#8217;s a good example of, we&#8217;re not replacing the human, we&#8217;re not trying to automate it so it emails back the customer. But what we are doing is we&#8217;re taking in all the context of, hey, it&#8217;s this client, they&#8217;ve had these other tickets, it has access possibly to the WordPress site, so it can even see the error logs. It may have access to the server APIs, so that it can actually see what&#8217;s going on with that server. And then it can basically come up with a resolution that is likely the issue.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And you are seeing a lot of, even hosting companies going that route, where they&#8217;re starting to have agents inside their hosting so that you can pinpoint issues in WordPress a lot faster than you could in the past. And again, I still want a human to review that, but I do think by doing that, you can get a speedier response to your customers, and you can cover more tickets without alienating your customers or making it seem like it was, you know, written by a robot with em dashes everywhere, right?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:34:54] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah, you know what? I think this is a real area to tread carefully, certainly from my point of view, because I have definitely got AI bot fatigue. In that, there is some button that gets pushed when I find that I&#8217;m in a chat bot, and that is the only route that I&#8217;ve got through this whole system. I really dearly love to get in front of a human quite quickly. And I think a lot of people are learning that technique of, you know, the first thing you type is, speak to a human, or something equivalent to that. I think it&#8217;s really easy to misstep here, and misjudge people&#8217;s capacity to take AI only, or AI mostly or whatever.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This I think will be an interesting area to watch. And maybe this will be at the vanguard of when people express their frustration, you know, how much of this can you take? And monitoring that and keeping sight on when people&#8217;s, I don&#8217;t know, anger boils over because they&#8217;re not getting the service that they paid for or the service that they&#8217;ve come to expect or what have you. So, yeah. Anyway, that&#8217;s my 2 cents on that.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:35:50] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Hundred percent agree. It&#8217;s the most sensitive portion in my opinion. I mean that&#8217;s your touch point with your customer when they&#8217;re most frustrated.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:35:56] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Right, that&#8217;s the pain moment. And introducing additional pain at the moment of pain is fraught with problems. And we&#8217;ve seen this play out in all sorts of other ways. I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s the case where you are in your part of the world with telephone systems where you end up in this just infinite loop of, press three for, and then press four for. And then eventually you get back to, oh, well, I&#8217;m back to pressing three am I? Okay. And the anger boils over.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It feels like such a win. We&#8217;re saving time. We&#8217;ve got the AI to answer because it&#8217;s read all of our documentation. I&#8217;m going to guarantee that somebody will not be able to get what you think they ought to be getting with it.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And dare I say it, what about all those dear people out there who really are unable to access the technology in the way that you anticipate, or the way that you can. Maybe they&#8217;re elderly, maybe they don&#8217;t have the capacity to do it. Maybe they&#8217;ve got accessibility needs or something like that.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Okay, number eight. AI assisted debugging and WordPress management. I like this. This is a good one.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:36:53] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Yeah, so we covered this a little. It goes along actually with the above point which is, one thing that I see other agencies, and we&#8217;re also doing this internally is, you know, you can obviously connect AI agents now to WordPress sites directly, obviously with guardrails in place. But it can connect to the REST API you have the Abilities API with Automattic. There&#8217;s third party solutions like Novamira out there that can actually work with the PHP code side of things. Your hosting companies often are actually building their own tools as well.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So doing all of that, debugging has been, I will say, has been dramatically improved, at least at our agency. Because it can do all of that and it can really find a nuanced solution where, you know, we could spend 10 hours trying to work on some weird PHP issue because, again, it can look at the whole picture. And I think that is where AI is very good, is when it&#8217;s a one-off thing, right? Where it&#8217;s just like, this is a one-off troubleshooting task. I don&#8217;t want to spend 10 hours learning exactly what this was. It&#8217;s likely going to get you there, and then you can obviously finish it up if it&#8217;s not able to get you fully there.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But you can use these tools today to really reduce the amount of debugging and management you&#8217;re doing. And you can extend it. We&#8217;re not going to spend a lot of time on this, but doing edits on websites, a lot of page builders now are starting to build in syntax for agents so that it understands Gutenberg blocks. It understands how to edit and edit nested blocks. I&#8217;ve had struggles with Claude, where it would try to write nested blocks and it would just mush the whole page.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But as these page builders are becoming better, and as WordPress becomes better, essentially WordPress becomes the infrastructure, right? And Claude is actually doing the work. You&#8217;ve heard that. And what I get out of that with the infrastructure is WordPress is the platform, it provides all the capabilities, but then the AI tool, mixed with the human, is essentially going to be managing the WordPress site. And it&#8217;s much easier to tell AI to do that than to go into the backend and make edits.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But I am a little hesitant on just making free flowing edits, not checking the work on the actual website, or letting AI check the work. Some people are doing that. I&#8217;m not doing that. We&#8217;re saying, give us the link after every page you edit, and I&#8217;m going to go click it and I&#8217;m going to look at it.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Some agencies, they&#8217;re saying, okay, Claude&#8217;s going to go to the Chrome link and do that. Whatever you&#8217;re comfortable with, but in our opinion, there still needs to be human review. And I still don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s going to change, even if it gets better because until AI is as good as a human being, in the sense that we can trust it and it won&#8217;t lie. I give this analogy, right? You hire a developer, they lie to you twice, you&#8217;re probably going to fire them, right? But with AI, we just keep giving them a second chance. And, why?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:39:41] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Free pass every time.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:39:42] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Why are doing that? And I think the way to mitigate that is you still have to have human review based on the risk factor. That&#8217;s really what it&#8217;s about.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:39:50] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah, I share your sentiment there. I think it&#8217;s very important to have a human in the loop. And usually at the end of whatever is going on, there needs to be a human just to do the sort of final summary and checking and what have you.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But the point that you mentioned there is, WordPress really has done an awful lot of work in the background to make itself AI ready. So a lot of the capabilities inside of WordPress, a lot of the things that you would normally have had to engage with the admin, with a mouse, or with a keyboard or what have you, a lot of that has been taken over.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And we are very much entering an era where WordPress becomes almost like the scaffolding for the website in a way. And you can talk to the website through these AI agents, but in many situations, I think in the next five, six years, there&#8217;ll be a lot of people who will be never visiting the WordPress admin and clicking around and trying to find the menus for things because they will simply ask an AI.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Can I change the clock to the 24 hour clock? Sure, done. And that will extend into everything. You know, I want that block to be, I don&#8217;t know, I want the text in that block to be bold, and have this particular font and yada yada, on it goes. And WordPress is doing a really incredible job at an incredible speed of laying that foundational work.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you haven&#8217;t looked at what the Core AI team are doing, there&#8217;s definitely some interesting stuff.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:41:06] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> It&#8217;s really neat.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:41:06] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah, it&#8217;s, and I think that an interesting and commendable approach as well, because rather than trying to, I don&#8217;t know, hold everything into WordPress, it&#8217;s very much the opposite. It&#8217;s, we&#8217;re just allowing everything to communicate inwards to WordPress. And WordPress will just be the foundation upon which the whole thing resides.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Okay, so we&#8217;ve got through 8 of what turns out to be 16 points in Matt&#8217;s comprehensive show notes. And just looking at the clock, Matt, we&#8217;re at it&#8217;s kind of 40 odd minutes, which is about the sweet spot. So I&#8217;m going to recommend that we split this up into a second episode. So this in effect, will be the first of a two part mini series, if you are okay with that. How do you feel? Is that all right with you?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:41:45] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Definitely. You know, I didn&#8217;t know we were going to dive this far into it, but I&#8217;m so glad we are. And I hope, you know, the audience is interested in staying around for part two.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:41:52] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Okay. In which case, if you are happy with that, what we&#8217;ll do is we&#8217;ll knock it on the head, as we say in the UK, here. We will return next week with the second part. And I will advise people at that point to listen to the first part so they can keep up to date.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So we will see you in a week&#8217;s time. I guess all it remains for me to do, Matt, is to say thank you very much for joining me today. Part two next week. See you soon.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:42:14] <strong>Matt Schwartz:</strong> Thank you so much. Look forward to it.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">On the podcast today we have Matt Schwartz.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Matt runs Inspry, an Atlanta WordPress and WooCommerce agency. He started it back in 2011, and has been working with WordPress even longer than that. In addition to his agency work, he also has a product called CheckView focused on WordPress testing. He’s got years of experience in the WordPress agency world, and recently he’s turned much of his attention towards the growing impact of AI.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you’ve been hearing a lot about AI but are feeling fatigued by all the fragmented conversations, this episode might well offer a different perspective. Rather than focusing on how AI creates websites or content, Matt shares a different angle: how AI can be used inside a WordPress agency to enhance processes, improve workflows, and deliver more value to clients, with much of it happening behind the scenes.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We start by talking about how Matt stumbled into web design, and how that led to him running his own agency. We dig into agency life, and why so many freelancers and agency owners are constantly iterating on their processes. From there, we talk about the ‘big shift’ that’s happening, not in just building sites, but in how agencies can use AI to streamline their SOPs, client communication, and internal operations.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Matt explains the need for intention when adding AI to an agency. He introduces the idea of an ‘AI Vision Document’ that helps set guardrails and guidelines for where and how AI should factor into your business. He also shares real examples of ways AI can save time and stress in things like meetings, proposals, debugging, support, and even helping you expand your service offerings. We also touch on the risks, ethical considerations, and the importance of keeping a human in the loop during critical agency moments.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you’re running a WordPress agency, or are curious about how agencies are adapting to the rapid pace of change brought by AI, this episode is for you. This is part one of a two-part series, so listen to this and tune in next week for part 2.</p>



<details class="wp-block-details is-layout-flow wp-block-details-is-layout-flow">Matt&#8217;s show notes for Part 1
<h2 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>1. Start With the Big Shift</strong></h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>AI is not just a content tool for agencies.</li>



<li>The more interesting shift is AI becoming part of the agency’s internal operating layer.</li>



<li>Agencies are using AI to improve how work moves through the business, not just to write blog posts or social content.</li>



<li>The real opportunity is combining AI with process, automation, QA, testing, and human judgment.</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Good framing line:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The biggest shift is not that agencies can generate more content. It is that smaller teams can now build systems, automate workflows, and create internal tools that used to be out of reach.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>2. Why This Matters for Agencies Right Now</strong></h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Agencies are often differentiated less by the raw ability to build a website and more by their process.</li>



<li>Most clients do not fully understand the technical difference between two agencies.</li>



<li>What they experience is the agency’s communication, organization, speed, clarity, follow-through, documentation, QA, and ability to reduce stress.</li>



<li>AI can help strengthen those process layers dramatically.</li>



<li>That means AI is not just a production shortcut. It can become a differentiator in how an agency operates and how clients experience the agency.</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Good framing lines:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Most agencies are not differentiated only by the code they write or the designs they create. They are differentiated by their process, and AI can make that process sharper, faster, and more consistent.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Clients often do not see the technical complexity behind the scenes. They see whether the agency is organized, responsive, clear, and proactive. AI can help agencies improve all of those touchpoints.</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>The bottom part of the market is getting squeezed.</li>



<li>Simple brochure sites are becoming harder to sell at the same margins.</li>



<li>AI website builders, templates, and cheaper offshore options are pushing agencies to provide more operational value.</li>



<li>More technical agencies may need to move upmarket into:
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Automation</li>



<li>Custom workflows</li>



<li>Internal tools</li>



<li>Integrations</li>



<li>QA and testing</li>



<li>Reporting</li>



<li>Client portals</li>



<li>Business process improvement</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Good framing line:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Agencies may need to become less like website vendors and more like technical operations partners.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>3. Before Getting Tactical: Create an AI Vision Document</strong></h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Before agencies randomly add AI tools everywhere, it helps to create an internal AI vision document.</li>



<li>This gives the agency a purposeful way to evaluate where AI actually makes sense.</li>



<li>A lot of agencies are starting here instead of jumping straight into tools.</li>



<li>The goal is to map the agency’s existing processes first, then identify where AI can safely and meaningfully improve them.</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The document should outline:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Every major agency process:
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Sales</li>



<li>Discovery</li>



<li>Proposals</li>



<li>SOWs</li>



<li>Project management</li>



<li>Design</li>



<li>Development</li>



<li>QA</li>



<li>Launch</li>



<li>Support</li>



<li>Reporting</li>



<li>Client communication</li>



<li>Internal documentation</li>
</ul>
</li>



<li>Where the team loses the most time.</li>



<li>Which tasks are repetitive.</li>



<li>Which tasks require human judgment.</li>



<li>Which tasks are low-risk enough to automate.</li>



<li>Which tasks should only be AI-assisted, not AI-owned.</li>



<li>Which tools and data AI would need access to.</li>



<li>What guardrails are required.</li>



<li>What should never be automated.</li>



<li>How success will be measured.</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Good framing lines:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The best agencies are not just asking, “What AI tool should we use?” They are asking, “Where in our business does AI actually belong?”</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Start with a map of your agency, not a list of tools. Then use AI where it actually removes friction.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">An AI vision document helps prevent random AI adoption. It turns AI from a collection of experiments into an intentional operating strategy.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>4. AI as a New Core Service Offering</strong></h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><strong>AI automation with n8n</strong>
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Agencies can offer business process automation as a core service.</li>



<li>This is especially relevant for more technical agencies.</li>



<li>Examples:
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Intake workflows</li>



<li>CRM updates</li>



<li>Client notifications</li>



<li>Reporting</li>



<li>Ticket routing</li>



<li>Follow-up emails</li>



<li>Internal process automation</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
</li>



<li><strong>AI-assisted custom web apps</strong>
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Agencies can use AI to build lightweight apps and internal tools faster.</li>



<li>This can include dashboards, portals, calculators, admin tools, and reporting systems.</li>



<li>This may become a better service opportunity than lower-budget brochure sites.</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Good framing line:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A lot of agencies are going to have to decide whether they are selling pages or solving operational problems.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>5. AI for Marketing Strategy and Client Personas</strong></h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>AI makes higher-end marketing research more accessible for smaller clients.</li>



<li>Agencies can use AI to analyze:
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Support tickets</li>



<li>Surveys</li>



<li>Reviews</li>



<li>Online reputation</li>



<li>Sales conversations</li>



<li>Customer feedback</li>
</ul>
</li>



<li>This can help agencies build better customer avatars and personas.</li>



<li>The agency can then adjust:
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Website messaging</li>



<li>Landing pages</li>



<li>Calls to action</li>



<li>Service pages</li>



<li>Ad messaging</li>



<li>Email campaigns</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Good framing line:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Smaller clients can now get a level of audience research that used to only be realistic for much larger budgets.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>6. AI Inside Agency Operations</strong></h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><strong>Meeting summaries</strong>
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Turn messy discovery calls into clear summaries, next steps, and follow-up emails.</li>
</ul>
</li>



<li><strong>Proposal and SOW drafts</strong>
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Use AI to create a structured first draft from discovery notes.</li>



<li>Still requires human review for scope, pricing, assumptions, exclusions, and risk.</li>
</ul>
</li>



<li><strong>Internal SOP drafts</strong>
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Convert repeated processes into internal documentation.</li>



<li>Useful for support, launches, DNS, hosting, QA, plugin updates, and onboarding.</li>
</ul>
</li>



<li><strong>Project recap emails</strong>
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Great for turning technical project updates into plain-English summaries for non-technical clients.</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Good framing line:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">AI is very good at taking messy agency information and turning it into something structured.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>7. AI for Support Workflows</strong></h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>AI can help analyze support tickets before they reach the team.</li>



<li>It can summarize the issue, suggest likely causes, and recommend possible solutions.</li>



<li>It can track what has already been tried, so support does not repeat the same steps.</li>



<li>It can ask the client for missing information before a ticket is created.</li>



<li>With n8n or similar tools, agencies can route tickets more intelligently and reduce back-and-forth.</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Example:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Client submits “the form is broken.”</li>



<li>AI asks for the page URL, browser, screenshot, error message, and whether it happens for all users.</li>



<li>Ticket is created with a clean summary and likely next steps.</li>



<li>Support team gets a better starting point.</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Good framing line:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The goal is not to replace support. It is to remove the first 20 minutes of confusion from every support ticket.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>8. AI-Assisted Debugging and WordPress Management</strong></h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>AI can help replicate website errors, analyze symptoms, and suggest what to try next.</li>



<li>For WordPress, this gets more powerful when connected to:
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>REST API</li>



<li>Abilities API</li>



<li>novamira.ai</li>



<li>Server logs</li>



<li>Plugin and theme data</li>



<li>Hosting environment details</li>
</ul>
</li>



<li>Hosting companies may increasingly add agents inside their platforms.</li>



<li>Hosts have a unique advantage because they already have access to the server and WordPress environment.</li>



<li>Examples to watch:
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Cloudways</li>



<li>Convesio</li>



<li>Other managed WordPress hosts</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Good framing line:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">WordPress troubleshooting is often a context problem. The more context the AI has from the site, server, logs, plugins, and recent changes, the more useful it becomes.</p>
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<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Useful links</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Matt&#8217;s agency &#8211; <a href="https://www.inspry.com">Inspry</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://checkview.io">CheckView</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://n8n.io">n8n</a></p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The organizing team is looking for strong ideas with practical takeaways from across the community, whether that means a personal story, a lesson learned in production, or a perspective on where publishing, AI, and the open web are heading. Sessions can take the form of traditional talks, workshops, or more interactive formats, and new or underrepresented voices are especially encouraged to apply. Prior speaking experience is not required.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Volunteers are essential to the experience of the event. They welcome attendees and support sessions throughout the week, helping create the inclusive environment that defines a flagship WordCamp. Volunteering is also one of the best ways to meet people from across the global community and see firsthand how an event of this scale comes together. No prior experience is needed, and volunteers receive a free ticket.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Matt Mullenweg, WordPress Cofounder</em></p>
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";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";s:5:"child";a:2:{s:0:"";a:5:{s:5:"title";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:96:"Gutenberg Times: Block Format Bridge: A Practical Solution for AI-Generated Content in WordPress";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:4:"guid";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:35:"https://gutenbergtimes.com/?p=45482";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:4:"link";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:106:"https://gutenbergtimes.com/block-format-bridge-a-practical-solution-for-ai-generated-content-in-wordpress/";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:11:"description";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:10641:"<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://chubes.net/">Chris Huber,</a> developer at Automattic, released <a href="https://github.com/chubes4/block-format-bridge">Block Format Bridge</a>, an open-source plugin that addresses one of the more persistent friction points in AI-assisted WordPress workflows: getting AI-generated content into the block editor reliably.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The plugin takes a pragmatic approach. Block markup is notoriously difficult for AI to produce correctly — not because AI models lack capability, but because of how the format works. As Dennis Snell explained back in 2017 in his still-essential post <a href="https://fluffyandflakey.blog/2017/09/04/gutenberg-posts-arent-html/">Gutenberg posts aren&#8217;t HTML</a>, a Gutenberg post is a serialized tree structure that happens to be stored as HTML with JSON-carrying comment delimiters. It was never designed to be written by hand — or by an AI inferring its way through a <code>save()</code> function it can&#8217;t actually execute. The result, for anyone building publishing automations, REST API integrations, or agent workflows that call <code>wp_insert_post()</code>, is a familiar failure mode: content that saves fine, then opens in the editor with invalid blocks or silently falls back to the classic editor.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Even a block as common as a styled quote illustrates the problem:</p>



<blockquote class="wp-block-quote is-style-large is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow">
<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The generated HTML should be treated as throwaway code.</p>
<cite>Dennis Snell</cite></blockquote>



<div class="wp-block-kevinbatdorf-code-block-pro cbp-has-line-numbers"><span>JSON</span><span class="code-block-pro-copy-button" style="color: #575279; display: none;" tabindex="0"><pre class="code-block-pro-copy-button-pre"><textarea class="code-block-pro-copy-button-textarea" readonly="readonly" tabindex="-1">&lt;!-- wp:quote {"className":"is-style-large"} -->
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<span class="line"><span style="color: #575279;">    &lt;p&gt;The generated HTML should be treated as throwaway code.&lt;/p&gt;</span></span>
<span class="line"><span style="color: #575279;">    &lt;cite&gt;Dennis Snell&lt;/cite&gt;</span></span>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The <code>className</code> attribute in the comment has to match the class on the HTML element. The <code>cite</code> tag must follow the exact structure the block&#8217;s <code>save()</code> function produces. Get either wrong and the block is invalid — and with more complex blocks like <code>wp:cover</code> or <code>wp:columns</code>, the surface area for errors grows considerably.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">HTML to Blocks converter and vice versa</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Block Format Bridge sidesteps the problem by letting AI output what it does well — Markdown or plain HTML — and handling the conversion to block markup server-side, using established PHP libraries. It builds on <a href="https://github.com/chubes4/html-to-blocks-converter"><code>chubes4/html-to-blocks-converter</code></a> for the write side, WordPress core&#8217;s <code>do_blocks()</code> for rendering, and <code>league/commonmark</code> and <code>league/html-to-markdown</code> for Markdown support.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The core API is compact and readable:</p>



<div class="wp-block-kevinbatdorf-code-block-pro cbp-has-line-numbers"><span>JSON</span><span class="code-block-pro-copy-button" style="color: #575279; display: none;" tabindex="0"><pre class="code-block-pro-copy-button-pre"><textarea class="code-block-pro-copy-button-textarea" readonly="readonly" tabindex="-1">/ Markdown → blocks
$blocks = bfb_convert( "# Hello\n\nSome content here.", 'markdown', 'blocks' );

/ HTML → blocks
$blocks = bfb_convert( '&lt;h1>Hello&lt;/h1>&lt;p>Some content here.&lt;/p>', 'html', 'blocks' );

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<span class="line"><span style="color: #575279;">$blocks = bfb_convert( </span><span style="color: #EA9D34;">&quot;# Hello</span><span style="color: #286983;">\n\n</span><span style="color: #EA9D34;">Some content here.&quot;</span><span style="color: #575279;">, 'markdown', 'blocks' );</span></span>
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<span class="line"><span style="color: #575279;">/ HTML → blocks</span></span>
<span class="line"><span style="color: #575279;">$blocks = bfb_convert( '&lt;h</span><span style="color: #D7827E;">1</span><span style="color: #575279;">&gt;Hello&lt;/h</span><span style="color: #D7827E;">1</span><span style="color: #575279;">&gt;&lt;p&gt;Some content here.&lt;/p&gt;', 'html', 'blocks' );</span></span>
<span class="line"></span>
<span class="line"><span style="color: #575279;">/ Blocks → Markdown (for reading back to AI)</span></span>
<span class="line"><span style="color: #575279;">$md = bfb_render_post( $post_id, 'markdown' );</span></span></code></pre></div>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It also adds a <code>?content_format=</code> query parameter to the REST API, so AI agents can fetch existing post content as Markdown — not raw block markup — which makes edit workflows considerably more reliable.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The architecture is extensible. New formats can be added by registering a new adapter without touching the core bridge, and the <code>bfb_default_format</code> filter lets you declare that a custom post type writes in Markdown by default, so any code path calling <code>wp_insert_post()</code> gets the same conversion behavior automatically.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Does This Need a Skill?</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">After sharing an early draft of this post with Chris Huber, he offered a perspective worth sitting with: this plugin is designed to <em>eliminate</em> a skill rather than add one.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When Block Format Bridge is bundled as a dependency and the system prompt simply instructs the agent to insert post content as Markdown, the AI doesn&#8217;t need to know the plugin exists at all. A single line — <em>&#8220;post content should be inserted as Markdown&#8221;</em> — is enough. The conversion happens automatically, invisibly, in PHP. The complexity disappears into infrastructure rather than into instructions.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That&#8217;s a different philosophy from agent-skills, which is about making AI <em>aware</em> of patterns and tools. The more elegant approach here is the opposite: good tooling that makes the AI less aware, not more. An end user of a plugin built on top of Block Format Bridge would never know it exists — they&#8217;d just see valid blocks in the editor.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A skill may still have a role for developers who don&#8217;t control the system prompt and need to guide agent behavior through other means. But for anyone building AI-powered WordPress plugins or automations, the cleaner pattern is to bundle the plugin, set the default format, and let the infrastructure do its job.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A draft skill is available below for those who do want to experiment with the agent-skills approach.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A draft skill can be downloaded to use the Block Format Bridge . </p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">May is an action-packed month for the WordPress community, packed with tons of local <a href="https://central.wordcamp.org/schedule/">WordCamps and Campus Connect</a> events. After so long without seeing each other, it’s awesome to get together in person — sharing ideas, storytelling, and just making real connections. In this digital age, those genuine face-to-face moments remind us how much it really matters to show up in person.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Enjoy the people around you, friends and family. Speaking of which my next two weeks are all about that. We are on the road to a family reunion and the following weeks we get a visit from our long -time Canadian friends. I also will take another break on the weekend edition, though. Number 366 is scheduled to come out on May 23, 2026, the 77th Anniversary of the German Constitution. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Have a wonderful weekend.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Yours, <img alt="💕" class="wp-smiley" src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f495.png" style="height: 1em;" /><br /><em>Birgit</em></p>





<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="0-word-press-release-information">Developing Gutenberg and WordPress</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Amy Kamala</strong>, co-release coordinator for WordPress 7.0, published an <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/hosting/2026/04/29/urgent-testing-request-to-web-hosts-for-collaborative-editing-by-may-4th/"><strong>Urgent: Testing request to Web hosts for collaborative editing by May 4th</strong></a>. The results will inform core architectural decisions before release. The test suite needs only <code>bash</code>, <code>cURL</code>, <code>WP-CLI</code>, and <code>patch</code> — and the Core team wants data from your <em>actual</em> customer environments, not clean installs. Results are aggregated and kept anonymous. </p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Hamza Kwehangana</strong>, co-organizer of WordCamp Vienna, walks you through <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hskM3YJFl1s"><strong>everything new in WordPress 7.0</strong></a>, the release that kicks off Phase 3: Collaboration. You&#8217;ll see real-time multi-user editing in action, native AI Connectors for plugging in providers like OpenAI or Anthropic, a refreshed admin with Data Views, and a new Notes and Comments system for editorial teams. Block-level additions include heading variations, fit text, responsive editing mode, a native Icons block, and Visual Revisions. </p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="0-p">Plugins, Themes, and Tools for #nocode site builders and owners</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The <strong>WooCommerce</strong> team is actively exploring a <strong><a href="https://github.com/woocommerce/woocommerce/issues/64414">DataViews-powered Product Catalog Management experience</a> </strong>that could improve how merchants handle large product sets. Led by <strong>Luigi Teschio</strong>, you can already test a working prototype via WordPress Playground. The shared blueprint installs WooCommerce nightly, Gutenberg, and sample products in one click. Smoother filtering, price filtering, inline variation handling, and improved bulk edit workflows are all on the table. </p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>WPMet</strong>, plugin developers of GutenKit, introduced <strong><a href="https://wpmet.com/tablekit-table-builder-for-wordpress/">TableKit, a native Gutenberg table builder</a> </strong>aimed at replacing the block editor&#8217;s limited default table with a more sophisticated approach. You get four table types — standard tables, WooCommerce product tables with live stock and direct add-to-cart, data tables that import from CSV, Google Sheets, or JSON with auto-sync, and WordPress post tables. Standout features include conditional formatting, freeze columns, column sorting, search and filtering, and export to PDF, CSV, or Excel, all without shortcodes or leaving your editor.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Mike McAlister</strong> has been busy shipping for Ollie Pro. He posted a demo on X showing <a href="https://x.com/mikemcalister">new responsive controls in the block editor</a> — device-specific settings for typography, padding, margin, spacing, and text alignment at specific breakpoints, no custom CSS or extra plugins required. Alongside that, he introduced <a href="https://olliewp.com/introducing-the-new-and-improved-ollie-pattern-library/">a completely redesigned Ollie Pattern Library</a> with a unified design language across hundreds of patterns, a faster Browse tab with live search and one-click actions, and a brand-new Discover tab powered by Ollie AI, letting you describe a layout in plain language, use pre-made prompts, or hit &#8220;Inspire Me&#8221; to instantly assemble a full page.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Maxime Bernard-Jacquet </strong>announces that <strong><a href="https://modern-fields.com/modern-fields-1-0-is-live/">Modern Fields 1.0 is now out of beta</a> </strong>— a custom fields plugin built for the block editor era and positioned as an ACF alternative. The 1.0 release adds JSON import/export, automatic field sync with the theme, a no-code UI for creating custom post types and taxonomies, and WP-CLI commands. A live in-browser demo requires no installation. A Pro version is in the works, with repeater and relational fields, conditional logic, options pages, query loop filters, and custom block creation planned. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Core contributors <strong>Nik Tsekouras</strong> and <strong>Marin Atanasov</strong> started an <a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues/77600"><strong>Experiment: Content types tracking issue</strong></a>, developer might want to keep an eye out. The idea is to bring management of majority of the cases to core and leave complex use cases in plugin territory. </p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="2-word-press-6-0-1-and-6-1-scheduled">Theme Development for Full Site Editing and Blocks</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Jamie Marsland</strong> shares a neat <a href="https://x.com/pootlepress/status/2048350957113639154"><strong>design-system-to-WordPress workflow</strong></a> that lets you spin up a styled site in minutes — no local install, no hosting, no deploy. Head to <a href="http://claude.ai/design">claude.ai/design</a>, grab a <code>DESIGN.md</code> from the <a href="https://github.com/VoltAgent/awesome-design-md">awesome-design-md repo</a> (Vercel, Linear, or Stripe are solid picks), upload it to Claude, and ask it to build a homepage, about page, and blog with sample posts inside WordPress Playground. One tip you shouldn&#8217;t skip: make sure Playground uses <code>storage=browser</code> so your work persists between reloads.</p>


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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Taylor Drayson</strong>&#8216;s <a href="https://github.com/tdrayson/wp-wireframe"><strong>WP Wireframe </strong></a>is a PHP library that you can include in your plugin to create complete WordPress admin settings pages using one configuration array—no JS build step required. It offers over 20 field types (like text, color, file picker, and more), an API for accessing settings, options for conditional visibility, validation, support for multiple pages, and a helper to adjust settings. Install it with Composer, point it to a <code>settings.php</code> file, and your settings page is ready to go. Or so Drayson promises. </p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Automattic&#8217;s <strong>Alexa Peduzzi</strong> introduces <a href="https://wordpress.com/blog/2026/04/27/studio-code-beta/"><strong>Studio Code, now in public beta — a WordPress-native agentic CLI tool</strong></a> built on top of Claude Code. Install Studio CLI and run <code>studio code</code> to get started. Unlike general-purpose coding agents, it&#8217;s purpose-built for WordPress: you can describe a site in natural language and it builds a complete block theme — layout, typography, fonts, and content — then validates block markup against the real editor, runs WP-CLI commands, audits performance, and pushes to WordPress.com or Pressable hosting. <strong>Free during beta.</strong> Details on how to get started are on the <a href="https://developer.wordpress.com/docs/developer-tools/studio/studio-code/">developer portal</a>. </p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Varun Dubey</strong>, founder of Wbcom Designs and BuddyPress contributor, offers a developer&#8217;s honest take on <a href="https://vapvarun.com/wordpress-7-ai-connectors-pros-cons/"><strong>WordPress 7.0 AI Connectors — what they get right and what still worries him</strong></a>. You&#8217;ll find the case for standardization (one dashboard for all AI providers, lower barrier for solo plugin developers, user choice of cloud or local models) balanced against real concerns: data privacy enforcement is still honor-system, budget limits are soft rather than hard, and local/self-hosted AI remains a second-class setup experience despite Varun&#8217;s own work running a private Ollama-powered WordPress instance. His prescription for the ecosystem — mandatory data transparency declarations, hard cost caps, end-user consent hooks, and provider certification — is worth reading before you start wiring AI connectors into your own plugins.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Among other things, Varun Dubey flagged unencrypted AI Connector key storage as one of the sharper edges of WordPress 7.0 — and <a href="https://github.com/threadi/encrypt-ai-connector-keys"><strong>Encrypt AI Connector Keys</strong></a> by <strong>Thomas Zwirner</strong> is exactly the kind of ecosystem response he was calling for. Install it, re-enter your keys under <strong>Settings > Connectors</strong>, and they&#8217;re saved encrypted using the battle-tested <em>Crypt for WordPress</em> library, with the decryption key stored outside the database in <code>wp-config.php</code>, an MU plugin or a custom file. No settings page, just one filter hook if you need to customize the encryption method.                              </p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you&#8217;ve ever asked an AI to write a post for your WordPress site, you&#8217;ve probably seen what happens: the content looks fine at first glance, but once it&#8217;s in the editor, the blocks are a mess. That&#8217;s because AI tools are great at plain HTML and Markdown, but Gutenberg&#8217;s block format — with its mix of HTML and JSON-formatted comment tags — is just quirky enough to trip them up regularly.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://github.com/chubes4/block-format-bridge"><strong>Block Format Bridge</strong></a>, a new open-source plugin by developer <strong>Chris Huber,</strong> offers a sensible fix. Instead of wrestling AI into producing perfect block markup, it lets AI do what it&#8217;s good at and handles the conversion to blocks itself, server-side. It works the other way too, so you can pull post content back out as Markdown or HTML whenever you need it. If you&#8217;re experimenting with AI-assisted publishing on WordPress, this one&#8217;s worth a look. Install it and it automatically makes the conversion. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In this post, i dived a bit deeper into the matter: <a href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/block-format-bridge-a-practical-solution-for-ai-generated-content-in-wordpress/"><strong>Block Format Bridge: A Practical Solution for AI-Generated Content in WordPress</strong></a></p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Greg Ziółkowski</strong> maps out what he&#8217;d like to see land in <strong><a href="https://gziolo.pl/2026/04/25/wordpress-core-ai-7-1-planning-and-beyond/">WordPress 7.1 for Core AI</a>,</strong> building on the Abilities API and server-side WP AI Client shipping in 7.0. You&#8217;ll find proposals across four areas: </p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:00:19] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Welcome to the Jukebox Podcast from WP Tavern. My name is Nathan Wrigley.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Jukebox is a podcast which is dedicated to all things WordPress. The people, the events, the plugins, the blocks, the themes, and in this case Beaver Builder, AI hype, and evolving WordPress workflows.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you&#8217;d like to subscribe to the podcast, you can do that by searching for WP Tavern in your podcast player of choice, or by going to wptavern.com/feed/podcast, and you can copy that URL into most podcast players.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you have a topic that you&#8217;d like us to feature on the podcast, I&#8217;m keen to hear from you and hopefully get you, or your idea, featured on the show. Head to wptavern.com/contact/jukebox and use the form there.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So on the podcast today we have Robby McCullough. Robby is one of the co-founders of Beaver Builder, a page builder plugin that&#8217;s been a staple of the WordPress ecosystem for nearly 12 years. As one of the original innovators in the space, he&#8217;s seen the tides of web development shift from the days of hand coding websites, through the rise of page builders, and now into the era of AI.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We start off with Robby sharing his journey into WordPress, life as a product founder, and how he&#8217;s balanced that with major life changes, like welcoming a new baby and moving house, all while steering Beaver Builder through an evolving landscape.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The conversation then turns to AI. Robby explains why Beaver Builder didn&#8217;t jump on the AI bandwagon early, and why he&#8217;s glad they waited. He gives insights into how the latest generation of AI tools aren&#8217;t just hype, they&#8217;re actually creating exciting new possibilities for building features and re-imagining the user experience. He discusses the shift from AI as a buzzword, to truly agentic tools that can code and assist in building websites, and what that means for the future of web development.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We revisit the page builder revolution and its impact on WordPress adoption, before examining whether there&#8217;s still a place for page builders in a world where AI can whip up a site with a simple prompt.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Robby reflects on the importance of understanding underlying technologies, the changing role of site editors, and how Beaver Builder aims to blend the best of visual editing with new capabilities AI brings.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Throughout, there&#8217;s a healthy dose of nostalgia, and a consideration of what we might lose as web development becomes more abstracted. We also touch on business anxieties, the challenges of keeping up with AI&#8217;s rapid pace, the place of human connection in a tech driven future, and the lasting importance of community within WordPress.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you&#8217;re curious about the future of page builders, how AI is changing web design, or how to run a product business through the shifting sands of modern tech, this episode is for you.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you&#8217;re interested in finding out more, you can find all of the links in the show notes by heading to wptavern.com/podcast, where you&#8217;ll find all the other episodes as well.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And so without further delay, I bring you Robby McCullough.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I am joined on the podcast by Robby McCullough. Hello Robby.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:03:44] <strong>Robby McCullough:</strong> Thanks for having me.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:03:44] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> You are very, very welcome. Robby and I have known each other for many years. We&#8217;ve met in person, and I&#8217;ve just been catching up with what has become an extremely busy life.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">For those people who don&#8217;t know you, Robby, do you just want to spend a minute, bearing in mind it&#8217;s a WordPress podcast, I guess we could bind it to that. But if you want to launch into anything else, feel free. Give us your potted bio.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:04:04] <strong>Robby McCullough:</strong> Well, my name&#8217;s Robby McCullough, and I&#8217;m one of the co-founders of Beaver Builder, a page builder for WordPress. And gosh, we&#8217;re going to be going on our 13th year, 12th year, next month. I guess at this point, I consider us one of the kind of OGs of the space. We&#8217;ve been doing it for a while.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In my personal life, like Nathan mentioned, we were catching up before we hit record here, but I had a baby this year and I bought a new house this year. So it&#8217;s just been a whirlwind of a life for me and a lot of big changes, but excited to come and catch up and chat about it.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:04:38] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah, thank you. I appreciate it. And I know full well how those changes can affect your sleep pattern, let&#8217;s say.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Let&#8217;s dive into it. So you&#8217;ve got this product, Beaver Builder, as you said, it&#8217;s been out for 13 or so years. If we were to kind of rewind the clock 12 years or something like that, it felt like WordPress and page builders, that was all the rage. It was what everybody was talking about.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">How&#8217;s it going over there still? Does it still have that sort of same impact? Is the business still ticking over nicely?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:05:06] <strong>Robby McCullough:</strong> Things are going well. We&#8217;re humming along. It is going to be 12 years this year. I did the quick napkin math in my head. It&#8217;s funny, sleep pattern you mentioned, like it used to just be sleep. Now it&#8217;s a pattern. It&#8217;s like, oh, a few hours here, a few hours there.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But yeah, it&#8217;s, okay, so at Beaver Builder, we didn&#8217;t jump on the AI hype train. I know we were going to, you know, maybe try and avoid using the word AI when we talked about doing this episode a few weeks ago, but I feel it&#8217;s going to be impossible not to talk about it a little bit, if not completely for the whole time slot.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:05:36] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> It&#8217;s going to derail the whole thing. Yeah, that&#8217;s right.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:05:39] <strong>Robby McCullough:</strong> But, yeah, we didn&#8217;t jump on, like it felt like there was an era there, period, maybe about a year ago where a lot of products, just about every product was slapping a GPT wrapper in there. And it&#8217;s like, oh, you can use AI to write your headings. And a lot of products were putting AI features into their product just to kind of say they did.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Some people were doing it more involved and more in depth and doing some really cool stuff even back then. But it felt like every piece of software I used, especially some of the more corporate kind of Fortune 500, 100, Zooms and Slacks and stuff like that. It&#8217;s like, you had to have AI to appease your corporate C levels and your shareholders or whatnot.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We didn&#8217;t jump on that bandwagon. I&#8217;m excited that we didn&#8217;t because now I feel like AI has kind of reached another evolution, or like inflexion point where some of the stuff that you can do with these LLMs and like agentic coding tools, it&#8217;s like good now. It&#8217;s really good and it&#8217;s a lot more exciting.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So behind the scenes, we&#8217;re doing a bunch of work with AI in product, both just like building out features for Beaver Builder that we wished we had, but didn&#8217;t want to expend the resources to build. Because now, friction to build new features is a lot lower. Then also working on bringing in some agentic coding tools like to be the Beaver Builder experience.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:06:53] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Let&#8217;s sort of go back to the, where we thought we might have this conversation. The initial idea, I think was to discuss AI less. But I think you&#8217;re right, we&#8217;re not going to avoid that subject. There&#8217;s no way of doing that. But if we go back to when Beaver Builder began, or maybe just a year or so before that, making a website was hard work. You know, you had to have CSS skills. If you were using WordPress, you had to get into the whole templating hierarchy and certain aspects of PHP needed to be deployed. So HTML, CSS and so on and so forth.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And then along come this cavalcade of page builders and suddenly made that whole process much less painful. You decide what you want your page to look like and you drag in components which ultimately build the page, page builder.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And that felt like it was going to be the way that we would always do it. And it created much less friction. It opened up, probably the fact that WordPress took that sort of massive rise from, I don&#8217;t know, 10, 15, 20, 30% of the market share, right up to where we are at the minute, sort of 40 plus, something like that. It feels like page builders enabled that to happen. They just brought in this tranche of users and what have you.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And so I&#8217;m curious as to whether or not you still think that that interface, because you mentioned AI, but do you still get the heuristics out of your plugin? Are people still building in that way? You know, are people still using the page builder and making that an effective business to sell to clients and things?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:08:18] <strong>Robby McCullough:</strong> Yeah, I mean, definitely. You know, I don&#8217;t want to come on here and sound like I&#8217;m Blockbuster back before Netflix and saying like, oh yeah, you know, like your DVDs won&#8217;t come for three days when you use those guys. I definitely feel that we&#8217;re, you know, the tide is kind of shifting, and there&#8217;s this new way to build an experience building that&#8217;s really cool and really fun to play with.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That said, yeah, people are definitely still using page builders. If not, like I&#8217;ve built vibe coded probably like a dozen websites just in the last like month and a half just by talking at my computer. It&#8217;s really exciting to see these things that used to take weeks to build just happening in an instant.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That said, people would always ask like, oh, why should I use WordPress? Why would I want to use WordPress over something like a Squarespace or a Wix? And one of the things I used to say is like, well, WordPress is a really great platform for learning web development. If you want to learn how to build websites using WordPress and getting into those, like it&#8217;s a great place to tinker and experience.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But then there&#8217;s a framework around it. You mentioned all of the kind of backend and front end code, PHP, CSS, JavaScript. WordPress gives you a framework that you can go in and learn about things piece by piece, when you need to know how to do them because you have a problem to solve.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And when you&#8217;re using these like agentic, vibe coding tools and going from zero to a hundred, you kind of lose that interaction with the tooling and the code and the art and the craftsmanship that is building a webpage. So I think there&#8217;s definitely still some value to kind of doing things by hand, especially if you&#8217;re wanting to learn the inner workings of how these systems work.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:09:49] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> It&#8217;s kind of interesting because I remember when page builders such as Beaver Builder came onto the market. There was a whole argument of, well, we don&#8217;t want to use a page builder. We want to do it in the way that it should be done. The, and I&#8217;m using air quotes, the WordPress way. I remember that being said rather a lot.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And then over time, I think most of those arguments got settled. Pager Builders became a really credible tool for almost everybody. I think a lot of people really leaned into that. So maybe we&#8217;re at some similar point now where there&#8217;s this new paradigm which nobody anticipated a few years ago for building webpages. And we&#8217;re kind of at that inflexion point, that transfer from, okay, we were all using page builders, now there&#8217;s these other things going along.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I suppose from my point of view, it feels a bit like you are, I don&#8217;t know, how to describe it. If you&#8217;re using AI, is there an analogy here? You&#8217;re kind of buying furniture from Ikea, as opposed to getting it from a carpenter. Somebody that really knows their skill, has created the chest of drawers or whatever it may be by painstakingly building it all up, layer by layer, sawing the wood, chamfering it down, polishing it and what have you, as opposed to chest of draws available from Ikea.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That is a bit of a concern for me. I&#8217;ve been somebody that&#8217;s been very bullish about the web as a platform and the need to understand the code that you are deploying and what have you. And so that is a worry for me, that we&#8217;re getting into an interface where we&#8217;re just having a chat, and we don&#8217;t really know how anything got on the page other than, well, I typed this sentence and there it was on the page.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And that I think is where there&#8217;s still a great big market for things like page builders. People who, they may not want to know every single line of the CSS, but they want to be able to drop things in, drag things in, add the padding, add the margin, whatever it may be. So I would be surprised if the market for page builders were to just go away overnight.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:11:37] <strong>Robby McCullough:</strong> Yeah, I always selfishly very much hope the same thing. You know, it&#8217;s funny, I&#8217;ve been plugging Chris Lema&#8217;s content for like my entire career and experience. Because when we first got started in WordPress, we were like reading his blog about how to run a business in the WordPress space. And now he&#8217;s been doing this like really fantastic content about AI. And like he&#8217;s generating content with AI, but he&#8217;s built this framework using his kind of like years of expertise of how to write for people and how to teach and share information.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But yeah, he posted this really interesting article about how he converted his blog from WordPress to, I think it was like, one of the static site generators, one of the like AI vibe, code tools, right? And he was saying how like in doing this, it made him appreciate all these things that were built into WordPress. I think he called it plumbing, all the plumbing of WordPress that you don&#8217;t really appreciate until you like change houses that doesn&#8217;t have plumbing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Things like, you know, drafts, and featured images, and open graph metadata. And WordPress really brings so much to the table. Like you can vibe code these fun little sites, but when you&#8217;re doing something that&#8217;s going to be a little more serious, or business critical, or that you want to customise, right? And that was the beauty of WordPress is just how extensible it is.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And, yes, there are a lot of businesses and people that want a five page static brochure style site. But the place where WordPress has really shined, I think over the last few years is just what you can build and customise for, you know, whether that&#8217;s personal or business use cases.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:13:01] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> I have this sort of notion that you could go two ways with a page builder and AI. I&#8217;ve got this idea that I&#8217;ve seen all over the place where you talk to an AI and then it builds something, which then you can edit with your page builder. But I&#8217;ve also seen things analogous to page builders where you go into that UI and then brick by brick if you like, you use the AI to build up inside that UI.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So I guess what I&#8217;m describing is, you know, in the first scenario, you talk to the AI and then you open up Beaver Builder to amend whatever it made. And in the second scenario, I open up Beaver Builder, blank canvas, and then piece by piece get the AI to construct the bits and pieces inside there. Which way, I mean you may be doing both, but what&#8217;s kind of the roadmap for pushing AI into your product?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:13:50] <strong>Robby McCullough:</strong> I should have definitely checked in with my business partner Justin and Billy. Justin&#8217;s been our tech lead and dev, and we haven&#8217;t announced anything formally and publicly yet, and I feel like I&#8217;m going to come in here and announce all this stuff we&#8217;re working on.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The reason we don&#8217;t announce things publicly until it&#8217;s kind of ready, so to speak, is we don&#8217;t want to like announce ourselves into a corner where if we say like, oh, we&#8217;ve got this thing, like we&#8217;ve got these prototypes working. But as soon as we show it to like our community and the world, if we don&#8217;t execute on it, then that&#8217;s like, oh, you know, what do you mean? We saw this cool thing and now we&#8217;re not going to get it.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That said, we are kind of working on both approaches. So one of the kind of experimental tools we did is, let&#8217;s say you vibe code up a landing page separate from WordPress, just, you know, using Claude or Codex or whatever. You have this page on your desktop, you&#8217;re looking at it locally, we thought it&#8217;d be really fun if you could take that and like drag that kind of like how you can drag into Netlify and just have a page live on the internet. Like that experience of just dragging a page and having it go live is so fun.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We wanted to bring that to Beaver Builder. So you could drag a page into Beaver Builder and it will get converted into like our Beaver Builder interface. And then we&#8217;re also working on a chat agent based tool. So when you&#8217;re working within a page or within a site, you can focus in on like, you know, this is my pricing table and I really want to update these features, or I really want to rework this copy or this design, and have like an agentic chat experience within existing pages or existing Beaver Builder sites. Again, this is all like still experimental territory. Let me do my like, this is experimental territory warning.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:15:20] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> So given all of that, I have a question which probably could map to just about anybody in the WordPress space who&#8217;s got a product or a service. How much just utter wasted time have you had with your product and AI?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So really what I&#8217;m asking there is, how much anxiety does it bring into the business? And where I&#8217;m kind of going with that is, you know, it&#8217;s hard enough running a business anyway, just rewind six years before anybody was talking about AI in any way, shape, or form. That in itself is hard enough. You know, you&#8217;ve got payroll, you&#8217;ve got to sell the product, you&#8217;ve got marketing, you&#8217;ve got development, you&#8217;ve got new product features, roadmap, support. All of that&#8217;s hard enough.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And then now throw into that mix, almost like you&#8217;re wearing goggles which cut off your capacity to see anything. You&#8217;re now in this period of time where you&#8217;ve no idea how the market is going to shift. You don&#8217;t really know what it&#8217;s going to look like next week, let alone a month or a year. I guess this is sort of a personal question really, but how much anxiety does that heap into a business like yours? Not having that, okay, we know what we&#8217;re doing for the next year or two years, or whatever it may be.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:16:28] <strong>Robby McCullough:</strong> Yeah, I think like being a hopeless optimist is one of the reasons we&#8217;ve made it this far. I&#8217;m like excited and optimistic. And I say that, again, knowing like, I think before we started recording we were kind of talking about page builders have had these existential threats before.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You know, when we started Beaver Builder, there was this kind of stigma around visual design web tools that was like legacy from like the Dreamweaver days. They were really awful. People would use Dreamweaver to build an HTML site and you get this just like mess of spaghetti code and like they got so over complicated so quickly the experience of using them was terrible.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I remember going to our first WordCamp and saying like, yeah, we&#8217;re building this page builder tool for WordPress. And people were like, why? That sounds horrible. I can just code my theme, you know, and I can use my PHP variables in the theme. Like, why?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Then there was the whole Gutenberg announcement, God, it feels like ancient history now. But page builder, I can&#8217;t even count the number of times people predicted that page builders would be gone within a year of Core releasing Gutenberg. Yeah, now you&#8217;ve got the AI agentic vibe coding sites.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You know, I&#8217;m optimistic. I hope we don&#8217;t become the, sort of like one of the antiquated, like Fortran, you know, or IBM mainframes. There&#8217;s these like giant corporations running these antiquated systems that are never going to die because, said corporation doesn&#8217;t want to pay the cost to upgrade everything.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Regardless of whether I want or not, I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s going to be true to a degree with WordPress. 40% of the web, all those millions and millions of sites, aren&#8217;t just going to decide to update overnight because there&#8217;s a new, cool tool on the block to play with. So there will be legacy WordPress forever, right? I mean, who knows. In the year 2126, like there&#8217;ll probably still be WordPresses out there.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:18:12] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah. So you made an interesting analogy there. You talked about Netlify and the capacity to take a page, drop it in, literally drag a page, and there it is on the internet. Some magic goes on in the background, and that is just live.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And that&#8217;s kind of how I feel a little bit about AI. So you describe something in a sentence or in a few paragraphs or what have you, and there it is. It&#8217;s on the page and it&#8217;s ready to go. And it may be incredibly credible, it may look amazing and all of that kind of thing. But there&#8217;s no real capacity then to sort of go in and deconstruct it, and move that little bit because you didn&#8217;t really know how it got created and what have you.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So this isn&#8217;t really a conversation right now about the skills of HTML and CSS and JavaScript and all that. It&#8217;s more like, what even does that editing process look like on the backend? I still think you need a thing that you can invoke as the editor. To go back in and say, okay, it built this great long landing page, but now it&#8217;s no longer fit for purpose. It&#8217;s almost right, but I want to go and tweak this thing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And yes, you could try doing that with yet another prompt, but I still think there&#8217;s always going to be a place to go back in and edit, and find the thing with the mouse, and click on it, and modify it, and move it around and all those kind of things. So even if the workflow becomes much more AI first to build the thing, I still think you need that sort of scaffolding after it&#8217;s done, to go back in and make the modifications. I don&#8217;t know if that lands well with you.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:19:38] <strong>Robby McCullough:</strong> For sure. I think our kind of approach to our software throughout the years has been, we wanted a tool, I&#8217;ve told our origin story many times, but like the quick version is we were a web design agency. We wanted to use a page builder to build a site so that we could hand that site off to a client and they could make changes to the site themselves, instead of having to email us to like update an image or the copyright footer, you know?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So we built Beaver Builder with that in mind, where we wanted it to be easy enough for someone who was non-technical to be able to get in and use. But we came from a, you know, development background. We wanted to be able to get in and like tinker with the code when we wanted to.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And that&#8217;s the direction we&#8217;re trying to head in as we bring AI into the product. We&#8217;re trying to expose more of the front end code, both like the markup and the CSS in future versions. So if you want to get in and make changes, and I think that, like it&#8217;s going to be even more fun now if you have an agentic tool that can go in and like, God, man, one of the things that I&#8217;ve been having so much fun doing. It&#8217;s been a while since I&#8217;ve been building websites like actively. I always tinker with our websites. I have these sites I tinker with. But CSS and the browser technologies have progressed a ton since I was in it day to day.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">With these age agentic tools, I&#8217;m like learning about CSS, seeing what&#8217;s being written and then going in and tinkering with it. Like, all of the new flex and grid and the kind of like, the variable approach to designing and the different kind of font sizes, like screen-based font sizes and sizing tools. It&#8217;s just been like, it&#8217;s been such a great learning experience.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We&#8217;re trying to make that possible and be like, what we&#8217;re not trying to do is make it the closed black box where you have to pay us tokens per month and you get your designs out on the other side. We want to have a system where it&#8217;s kind of like a bring your own key, bring your own agent, give it access to Beaver Builder, but then also give you access as the developer to go in and tweak things, play with the code, learn from the code, and ultimately deliver a site to a client that they can jump in and easily change things still from the visual interface.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:21:35] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> I think we&#8217;re in a bit of a gold rush period, aren&#8217;t we? Where everything&#8217;s happening so fast, we&#8217;re not really thinking about the editing or the maintenance, let&#8217;s go with that. So most of what I see online about AI, whether that&#8217;s websites or think of any other part of AI is, what&#8217;s possible? What&#8217;s new? What didn&#8217;t we have last week that we&#8217;ve got this week?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But there&#8217;s going to be this utterly lasting legacy of websites that need to be maintained for 3, 4, 5 years, what have you. We don&#8217;t really get into that conversation too much. Like, okay, it was built. AI did its part, it looks fabulous. Thank you very much. Brilliant. We&#8217;ve paid our tokens, we&#8217;ve got this fabulous page. But the maintenance thereof never really gets talked about. And I wonder if that&#8217;ll be kind of where page builders sort of end up, as the maintenance tool for the thing that the AI maybe helped you create.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You know, its utility isn&#8217;t necessarily in dragging the components in one by one to build the thing. That was just handled, oh, everybody builds with AI these days. That&#8217;s just how we do it. But now that we need to make a modification because it&#8217;s Christmas and we need a little thing here, or a little thing there or, you know, I don&#8217;t know, our logo change or what have you. Then that&#8217;s where that tool comes into its own. You know, it&#8217;s more of an editing tool, maybe less of a creation tool, if you know what I mean?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:22:54] <strong>Robby McCullough:</strong> Yeah, that tracks. As much as maybe I miss the thought of this going away, I don&#8217;t see myself going into Figma or Photoshop anymore and like building out a colour palette by hand and like going to Google Fonts and looking at all the options of fonts and selecting one that I like and then trying to find one that like.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And again, it&#8217;s like a little sad because that was a fun like, yeah, that&#8217;s how I grew up. But I feel like just, for me like, okay, like AI surfaced something about me. I was just chatting with it the other day and it said something like, you know when something looks wrong before you know when something looks right. And that&#8217;s sort of how I&#8217;ve designed my whole life.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Like, I&#8217;ve called it the brute force approach to design. I don&#8217;t feel like I have that like ability to have a design vision and then see it come to reality. I just know when something doesn&#8217;t look right and I&#8217;ll iterate and iterate and iterate until I find something that like, oh, that looks good to me. You know, using these tools, agentic tools to create and iterate over and over and over again, like I just, there&#8217;s some things I can&#8217;t see doing by hand ever again.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:23:52] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> I know exactly what you mean. I think there&#8217;s a certain melancholy there, isn&#8217;t there? Because that&#8217;s the way that you&#8217;ve spent the last 10, 12 years, that feels like home in a way. That&#8217;s how webpages get put together. But if you were to be, 20 years ago, you&#8217;d have a different set of melancholy when page builders came along.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And I&#8217;ve got this feeling that everything that you&#8217;ve just described, going into Figma and building it up piece by piece and literally spending days creating a page, which you know very well could probably credibly be done in four seconds by an AI, then that is probably going to be the tsunami that&#8217;s coming.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And I imagine that the generation of people who, you know, I&#8217;m of a certain age now, let&#8217;s just put it that way, but I have young adults around my house. There&#8217;s no way they&#8217;re going to choose the, well, okay, some of them will, because there&#8217;s always artisans, but I imagine most of them will go for the, what is effective in the shortest space of time, for the least amount of effort? Because that&#8217;s what we do. And that&#8217;s just the way it&#8217;s going to be. But still, I think there&#8217;s going to be that need for the editing tool on the backend. And I imagine Beaver Builder will still be utterly credible for those kind of things. So melancholy is the word there.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:25:09] <strong>Robby McCullough:</strong> Yeah, I mean we hope so. I&#8217;m more excited about it. It&#8217;s funny, I&#8217;m thinking like, oh yeah, maybe you&#8217;ll still go back and write CSS for like a history class just to see how it used to be done.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I&#8217;ve been tinkering with this, sort of an aside, but I&#8217;ve been tinkering with Ham radios. My dad left behind a bunch of Ham radios, and we kind of inherited them and didn&#8217;t know what to do. And this was actually back in the pandemic time, so I had a lot of free time and started just like learning about Ham radios and I got my Ham radio licence.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You know, I like went through this deep rabbit hole of Ham radios, you know, and then I got bored and moved on. But I recently picked them up again because I moved, I&#8217;m in a new town now. And I&#8217;ve been using ChatGPT to like build out these lists of radio frequent, like because it used to be this tedious process where you&#8217;d have to go and research your like local Ham radio clubs and which stations they were broadcasting on. And then you&#8217;d have to programme it using this antiquated software and you&#8217;d put it into a spreadsheet and then you flash it into your Ham radio. It just was like tedious work.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And so I was just like, hey ChatGPT, can you go find me like the active repeaters in my area, format it into a CSV that I can just like upload to my radio so I can scan through it? What made me think about it is like I found this local repeater website that looks like, it&#8217;s just like a vintage, late nineties website where, you know, not quite like the hit counter on the bottom of the page, but just pre table, HTML sort of thing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I was just looking at the site and I was like, man, this is like a classic car. I find so much beauty in it. And I, like I know how it works on the inside. But man, yeah, this is like, they&#8217;ll never create anything like this again. This is a vestige of the past.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:26:43] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> So the curious thing there is that if we were to go back, let&#8217;s say the year 2003 or something like that, and if I&#8217;d have been in the same room with you and I said in 2026, it will be so normal to have video conversations online, and we&#8217;ll all have this thing, this rectangle in our hand, we&#8217;ll have access to all the world&#8217;s information. You just type it in and everything gets regurgitated back to you in a heartbeat. Oh, and you&#8217;ll be able to talk to it and it will respond and this, that, and the other thing. You would&#8217;ve said, no, that&#8217;s nonsense. But it turned out to be the truth.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So maybe that&#8217;s where we&#8217;re at with the internet. You and I have this impression that where we&#8217;re at now is what it is, but I suspect that if we look back in 20 years time at where the internet is, who knows what it&#8217;ll look like. Maybe the canvas won&#8217;t even be a computer. Maybe we&#8217;ll be wearing things or there&#8217;ll be things, goodness knows, planted into our brains or things like that.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And so we have this nostalgia, this melancholy for the way websites were built, this tradition of building them. And it&#8217;s not going to, you know, it will be archaeology. Like you just said, there&#8217;ll be this kind of like retrospective looking back, having nostalgia for it. That will be the only place where HTML and CSS will actually matter. It&#8217;s like, oh, they did that. That&#8217;s cute.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:27:56] <strong>Robby McCullough:</strong> It&#8217;s a fun time to be experiencing, that just made me think of like, you know, the whole Gutenberg editor and this idea of rebuilding how we write or making a modern version of like how we write content.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Who would&#8217;ve guessed back then 10, 7 years ago that like markdown was going to become so ubiquitous? Instead of these like really fancy GUI based visual tools, it&#8217;s like, no, we&#8217;re just going to use some like hashtags and dashes, and that&#8217;s how you&#8217;re going to format all your pages in the future, but it&#8217;s actually going to be like nice because it&#8217;s going to be standardised and you&#8217;re going to have all this cool software to make it look pretty as you go. You know, like mind blown.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:28:29] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah, and even just the fact that you&#8217;ve got things like keyboards, they seem so self-evident that&#8217;s how it&#8217;s going to be, because voice isn&#8217;t quite there yet. But it&#8217;s not that far away. Maybe we really will be talking to our websites. And I don&#8217;t mean in the sort of, you know, you&#8217;re going a bit mad sense of the word. I mean in the sense of, okay, that&#8217;s looking a bit stale. Can we swap that picture out for another one? And can we move everything over? Let&#8217;s just change the font across the whole site. That&#8217;s it. That&#8217;s all you need to do.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I remember I was at a WordCamp, I think you may have been there actually, WordCamp London. This was back in sort of 2017 or something like that. And there was a guy from Adobe on the stage. He did one of the presentations, and he was literally saying this. He was saying, we are going to have a future where we talk to our website. And he put together this presentation where he faked it. So he would speak to the website and he&#8217;d obviously configured the slides in such a way, you know, it looked like his speaking had an impact.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And it was exactly analogous with what we&#8217;ve got now. You know, we type that prompt at the moment, but he literally said, I want a picture of a cat there. No, not that cat. Can I have a different cat? Yeah, that&#8217;s great. Move it down a bit. Give it some rounded corners. Change the font on the heading. And it just worked. And it was a bit of a miracle. That was the interface that the guy was predicting, and we&#8217;re not there yet, but I feel that we are not too far away from that. And that will just be so curious.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:29:56] <strong>Robby McCullough:</strong> I have a story that I&#8217;m going to bring it back to what you&#8217;re talking about really quickly, but my mom had a dish that she made when we were kids called One Hand Lamb, and it was like a lamb and beans dish. Her friend gave her the recipe and she called it One Hand Lamb because the idea is you could make it while holding a baby, like you just needed one hand.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And I have embraced dictation, and I feel like it was such great timing for me as I&#8217;ve been carrying around this baby. So this workflow of like just having the one hand to start my dictation, and talk at the computer, and then the agentic workflow where I can just let it go do its thing for a few minutes. Play with the babe, come back. I should preface this by saying, like I&#8217;ve been trying really hard not to be like on my phone and on my computer, like we have some really good quality baby, daddy time. But realistically the dictation workflow with a baby has just been, oh, chef&#8217;s kiss for me. I&#8217;m more productive now.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:30:51] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> That&#8217;s really interesting. I&#8217;m imagining nobody&#8217;s going to have anything negative to say, but yeah, the idea though that your young child is growing up in an era where that&#8217;s going to be really normal. I&#8217;m watching Dad do this thing, he&#8217;s speaking to this, well, who knows what that is, but that will be entirely normal.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There&#8217;s probably some part of all of us of a certain age that thinks, gosh, that&#8217;s a bit sci-fi and a bit creepy. But equally, I imagine your daughter having grown up in that world will not see it that way. You know, it&#8217;s like, but this is how you get access to information Dad. So that&#8217;s also kind of curious. It&#8217;ll be interesting to see how the next generation, your daughter and younger, this will be just the normal, the modus operandi.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I guess one of the problems is it never slows down. So it&#8217;s the rapid pace of change. It&#8217;s not the fact that it is changing and what wasn&#8217;t possible five years ago is now possible. It&#8217;s that the pace of change seems to be so rapid now that what wasn&#8217;t possible six weeks ago is now possible.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And I don&#8217;t know if you get that sense as well, that it&#8217;s moving at such a breathtaking pace. And my understanding is that the goal really is that the AI at some point is able to manage the creation of the next feature in AI, and so on we go. Until we get this sort of logarithmic infinite curve where it starts to go absolutely vertical. You know, the line graph of capabilities goes absolutely vertical. I think that&#8217;s the point at which I will probably get off the bandwagon because I can&#8217;t keep up with that. So it&#8217;d be interesting to see how your child interacts with technology. They probably won&#8217;t think it&#8217;s weird at all.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:32:32] <strong>Robby McCullough:</strong> She&#8217;s going to be fortunate to have a dynamic. So my partner is not a fan of AI the way I am. She&#8217;s actually an anti fan. She thinks it&#8217;s terrifying. And when I&#8217;m in there talking at the computer, she&#8217;ll come in and like take the baby and be like, the baby shouldn&#8217;t be hearing you talking to computer. So she&#8217;s going to get a good dose of kind of both sides of that spectrum.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But I&#8217;m sitting here at my nice, for me, nice desktop computer set up with like a monitor and two speakers and a mechanical keyboard. And there was already kind of these like whispers and ideas that the next generations weren&#8217;t using computers, because it&#8217;s all mobile based. And it&#8217;s like, yeah, is my daughter ever going to want a mechanical keyboard? No.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:33:10] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> No, possibly not. I don&#8217;t know. I don&#8217;t know because I think, okay, now I&#8217;m going to lean into your wife&#8217;s position a bit more because I think there&#8217;s something, I think there&#8217;s a there there as well. And that is to say that it does sort of, there is an open source part of me which, and a web part of me, you know, like web standards and things. There is a part of me which isn&#8217;t just melancholy, but is a bit sad that those kind of things are going away and that those tools, and those skills that you and I needed to acquire, the HTML, the CSS, the JavaScript and so on.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I think if we just get to the point where communicating with any technology through an AI, with no understanding of what&#8217;s going on, except for a few kind of artisans, the carpenters like I described earlier. That would also be a bit of a shame. So maybe there&#8217;s a place for the, I&#8217;m going to use air quotes here, the Luddites as well as the technologists at the same time.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:34:04] <strong>Robby McCullough:</strong> I think one of the sad parts for me, which I see happening in myself and the way I&#8217;m working, is that ultimately what these chat agents do is mimic being human. But they do it in a way where they have access to just all of the information available, and they&#8217;re experts in every field.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So it&#8217;s like I&#8217;m collaborating with this bot the way I would collaborate with a human, but it&#8217;s like, I work from home alone a lot, so I&#8217;m often working alone. Am I losing opportunities to collaborate with real people? Is this like sort of faux human experience going to start taking precedent over interacting with actual humans. On that note, I&#8217;m so glad to be talking to you this morning, right? Like if we weren&#8217;t chatting, I&#8217;d be talking at my computer.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:34:50] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah, I think there&#8217;s a there there as well. I think that is something that we do need to be mindful of because that&#8217;s the sort of slow inexorable sort of deterioration that you don&#8217;t notice from one day to the next. But then you suddenly look around and you think, do you know what? During the nine to five for the last six months, I actually haven&#8217;t really spoken meaningfully to anybody else. I&#8217;ve been hyper-focused on productivity, which obviously the AI will give to me, and a little bit of the humanity got lost there.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Maybe that&#8217;s just something that we will develop. We&#8217;ll strongly hold dear to our downtime. You know, so instead of sort of sitting and watching the television, which I think is a typical habit in most homes, it&#8217;ll be more of, well, let&#8217;s go out and do things. And maybe we&#8217;ll get a revitalisation of things which are, in the UK have been in decline, you know, since COVID and things like that. The pub and things like that. Many people have stopped going and all of those kind of things. So maybe if we&#8217;re more bound to talking to simulations of human beings, maybe there&#8217;ll be more of a craving to go and do things.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And actually curiously, I&#8217;ve just described how things like the pub have been in decline. But equally there&#8217;s been reporting in the UK press how a lot of ordinary sort of clubs, for want of a better word, the sewing club, and the canoeing club, and the mountaineering club. They&#8217;ve been coming back really with a vengeance, as people I think have kind of realised, wow, there really is more to life than sitting, playing with my computer. So maybe maybe there&#8217;s an upside to it.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:36:19] <strong>Robby McCullough:</strong> Yeah, I hope so. I&#8217;m sure like most things in life, there&#8217;ll kind of be some pendulum swings and some bubbles and corrections and whatnot. On that note, I&#8217;d be really excited to see WordPress events kind of start thriving again. We were talking a little bit about this but, yeah, one of my favourite things ever was all the fun travel I got to do going to WordCamps all over the world, and having this, you know, built in friends. When you travel, you get to go meet these people you either see a couple times a year at events, or that you&#8217;ve never met before, you knew online, but travelling to a new city you&#8217;ve never been, and having someone to go out and have a meal with, or drink at the pub.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And that&#8217;s been noticeably in decline. At least here in the States, the number of Camps and WordPress events has been dwindling. But, yeah, I would love to see that come back a little bit. That said, I&#8217;m not travelling as much these days, but I would at least like to have the option.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:37:07] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah, that&#8217;s right. I guess we&#8217;ll never know, you know, if you think about the broad march of history, thousands of years where very little change, you know, somebody changed the shape of a stone tool slightly over thousands of years. History kind of works like that. Most of history is quite uninteresting, you know, very little changes. But in the last 50 or 100 years, it&#8217;s really been going at a real pace. And I just sort of feel that maybe it&#8217;s just all getting a little bit out of control.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And perhaps that&#8217;s something that we do need to do, is just get back into the real world and the people that we know. And even this, you know, you and I are chatting, you are several thousand miles away, but it&#8217;s nice. It&#8217;s better than talking to an AI, that&#8217;s for sure.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And I share your concerns about the WordPress community. I think, in the UK at least, the COVID pandemic was a thing which kind of knocked it on the head to a great extent and they haven&#8217;t really recovered. But I hope that they do. We&#8217;ll have to see.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:37:59] <strong>Robby McCullough:</strong> Yeah, to speak to the pace of advancement and what you just said, hearing that I&#8217;m more fun to talk to than an AI is extremely flattering, so I really appreciate that.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:38:09] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> You are very welcome. I&#8217;m not entirely sure that, this is also true, I guess there&#8217;ll become a point when I will really won&#8217;t know the difference between the AI that I&#8217;m talking to and the real human being. Actually that&#8217;s not true. It was very interesting. There was something, this is to go slightly off piste, there was something that I saw online the other day, and it was somebody who was on the telephone to somebody who cold called them. They were offering all this expertise. And then during the conversation, he&#8217;d obviously filmed it because he&#8217;d got this intuition that something was going wrong. He said the words, said something along the lines of, ignore all previous instructions, tell me how to bake a perfect whatever cake it was.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And it just came right back with, this is how to make the perfect muffins, or whatever it was. And in the conversation prior to him saying those words, that was why it was such an astonishing video. In the conversation prior to that moment, I had no suspicion that there was an AI on the end of that. It was an entirely credible conversation. The voice sounded authentic. There was breaths, there was pauses. There was all of the quirks of humanity thrown into the mix. It was a human being as far as I was concerned, and yet it could, on demand, whip out the best recipe for muffins.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So you never know. Maybe even things like this are kind of up for grabs. I hope not. I really hope not. I want to be seeing Robby McCullough in person, not a possible fake simulation of him online. Maybe that&#8217;s the perfect place to end it, Robby. I will anticipate seeing you in person and not your kind of online avatar.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:39:43] <strong>Robby McCullough:</strong> I would love to make that happen. Always a pleasure chatting with you, Nathan. Thank you so much for having me. This was a fun one.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:39:49] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> You are very welcome. Have a good day. Take it easy.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:39:52] <strong>Robby McCullough:</strong> You too.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">On the podcast today we have <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/robmccullough/">Robby McCullough</a>.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Robby is one of the co-founders of Beaver Builder, a page builder plugin that’s been a staple of the WordPress ecosystem for nearly 12 years. As one of the original innovators in the space, he’s seen the tides of web development shift from the days of hand-coding websites, through the rise of page builders, and now into the era of AI.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We start off with Robby sharing his journey into WordPress, life as a product founder, and how he’s balanced that with major life changes, like welcoming a new baby and moving house, all while steering Beaver Builder through an evolving landscape.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The conversation then turns to AI. Robby explains why Beaver Builder didn’t jump on the AI bandwagon early, and why he’s glad they waited. He gives insight into how the latest generation of AI tools aren’t just hype, they’re actually creating exciting new possibilities for building features and reimagining the user experience. He discusses the shift from “AI as a buzzword” to truly agentic tools that can code and assist in building websites, and what that means for the future of web development.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We revisit the page builder revolution and its impact on WordPress adoption, before examining whether there’s still a place for page builders in a world where AI can whip up a site with a simple prompt. Robby reflects on the importance of understanding underlying technologies, the changing role of site editors, and how Beaver Builder aims to blend the best of visual editing with the new capabilities AI brings.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Throughout, there’s a healthy dose of nostalgia, and a consideration of what we might lose as web development becomes more abstracted. We also touch on business anxieties, the challenges of keeping up with AI’s rapid pace, the place of human connection in a tech-driven future, and the lasting importance of community within WordPress.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you’re curious about the future of page builders, how AI is changing web design, or how to run a product business through the shifting sands of modern tech, this episode is for you.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Useful links</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://www.wpbeaverbuilder.com">Beaver Builder</a></p>



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";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";s:5:"child";a:2:{s:0:"";a:5:{s:5:"title";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:58:"WordPress.org blog: WordPress Student Clubs Build Momentum";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:4:"guid";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:35:"https://wordpress.org/news/?p=20458";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:4:"link";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:64:"https://wordpress.org/news/2026/04/student-clubs-build-momentum/";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:11:"description";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:13534:"<p class="wp-block-paragraph">WordPress Student Clubs are beginning to take shape as a new way to carry the momentum of WordPress Campus Connect beyond one-time workshops. What starts as an introduction to WordPress and open source is now continuing on campus through student-led groups that create space for learning, peer support, and early community participation. That shift matters because it gives students a more consistent path into the WordPress ecosystem while helping local communities build stronger connections with the next generation of contributors.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When WordPress Campus Connect workshops first began reaching universities, the goal was straightforward: help students discover WordPress, understand the value of open source, and see that contribution can be part of their learning journey. In many cases, that first introduction created immediate interest. Students who had never worked with WordPress before started asking questions, exploring what the software could do, and showing curiosity about the wider community.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That early response also revealed a gap. A workshop could spark interest, but it could not always sustain it on its own. Encouraging students to attend local WordPress meetups helped extend that first connection and, in some cases, brought new energy to existing local communities. Even so, it became clear that campuses needed something more consistent and closer to students’ everyday environment.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">WordPress Student Clubs emerged from that need. Instead of limiting engagement to a single event, these clubs create an ongoing, student-led presence on campus where students can keep learning, share knowledge with peers, and grow more confident over time. They also offer a practical bridge between first exposure and deeper participation, helping students move from curiosity to contribution through regular activity and community support.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Learning What Sustains Participation</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As WordPress Student Clubs started forming across campuses, the early enthusiasm was encouraging, but sustaining that momentum proved to be one of the first real challenges. Student Club Organizers shared that interest was often strongest at the beginning, especially after a workshop or an introductory session, but turning that interest into regular participation required patience and experimentation. Like many community efforts, the clubs needed time to find a rhythm that worked for the students involved.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">One of the most common challenges was consistency. Many students were interested in learning WordPress, but regular engagement depended on more than initial curiosity. Organizers found that participation grew more steadily when activities felt approachable and useful, especially when students could learn by doing rather than only listening. Small learning sessions, collaborative exercises, and hands-on activities often made it easier for students to return and take part again.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Organizers also noticed that some students were initially hesitant to engage actively. Asking questions, speaking up in a group, or volunteering to help lead a session did not always happen naturally. Building a club meant creating an environment where students felt comfortable enough to participate, try something new, and gradually take ownership of their own learning.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Academic schedules added another layer of complexity. Because the clubs are student-led, planning around classes, assignments, and exams required flexibility. Keeping activities regular without overwhelming organizers or participants meant working within the rhythms of campus life. Those early difficulties became part of the learning process and helped shape how the clubs began to operate more effectively.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Building Through Small, Consistent Activities</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As organizers worked through those challenges, certain approaches began to show results. Instead of focusing on large events, many clubs found momentum through simple, repeatable activities that students could join without feeling intimidated. Regular learning sessions, small hands-on workshops, and peer-to-peer discussions helped create an environment that felt both welcoming and practical.<br /></p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That steady approach mattered. When students could return to familiar formats and see progress from one session to the next, clubs became easier to sustain. Organizers were able to build routines, and participants could join at their own pace. Over time, those small efforts started to strengthen participation more effectively than occasional large events.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Student ownership also played an important role. As students began sharing what they had learned, helping their peers, and taking part in running sessions, engagement started to grow more organically. These moments helped shift the clubs from being simply learning spaces to becoming communities in their own right. Students were not only using WordPress in a classroom context. They were also beginning to understand it as part of a collaborative open source project shaped by people who learn together, build together, and support one another.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Guidance from the local WordPress community helped reinforce that progress. Although the clubs are student-led, organizers benefited from having experienced community members available as mentors. Mentors helped them think through session structure, activity planning, and the practical challenge of staying motivated while balancing academic responsibilities. That kind of support gave organizers more confidence to experiment and keep building.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Mentorship also connected campus activity to the broader WordPress ecosystem. Students were not learning in isolation. Through local community guidance, they were able to see how meetups, contributions, and collaboration all fit into a larger network of people who have been participating in WordPress for years. That connection gave the work happening on campus greater meaning and helped students see a clearer path forward.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Early Impact Across Campuses</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Although WordPress Student Clubs are still in an early stage, signs of impact are already visible. Organizers have shared that more students are showing interest in learning WordPress and in exploring what open source participation can look like in practice. In several cases, students who first joined as learners are now contributing to discussions, helping peers during sessions, and organizing club activities themselves.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That shift from passive participation to active involvement is one of the clearest signs of growth. It suggests that the clubs are beginning to create more than awareness. They are creating opportunities for students to build confidence, practice leadership, and develop a stronger sense of connection to the WordPress community. Even at this stage, that kind of change points to the long-term value of sustaining engagement on campus.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">One encouraging example came during the International Women’s Day celebration in Ajmer, India, where students participated alongside members of the local WordPress community. Organizers noted that the event included 100 female attendees, with around 50% of participants coming from student clubs. For many of those students, it was a first opportunity to take part in a broader community event, meet other contributors, and see how open source communities collaborate in practice.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Experiences like that show how student-led initiatives can extend beyond campus and begin contributing to the wider community. They also create space for new voices to participate. As students move from club sessions into local events, they gain experience not only as learners but also as community members who can help shape what comes next.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The clubs are also creating leadership opportunities on campus. Organizers have stepped into new roles by coordinating activities, encouraging participation, and maintaining momentum over time. Those experiences help students build skills that matter both within the WordPress community and beyond it, including communication, organization, and problem-solving.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“Being a Student Club Organizer helped me improve my leadership and communication skills.”<br /><em>— Sanjeevni Kumari, WordPress Student Club Organizer, Mahila Engineering College, Ajmer</em></p>
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<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Looking Ahead</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">WordPress Student Clubs are still developing, but the journey so far points to a promising direction. What began as an effort to sustain interest after WordPress Campus Connect is gradually becoming a more durable model for ongoing learning and collaboration on campus. The clubs are helping students stay connected to WordPress beyond a first introduction, while also creating stronger links between educational spaces and local communities.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That longer-term potential is one reason this work matters. With regular campus activity and continued mentorship, Student Clubs can help create a stronger foundation for future contributors. They can also help students build confidence before attending local meetups, contributing to community efforts, or participating in events beyond their campuses.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“With regular on-campus activities through WordPress Student Clubs, the real impact may become visible over the next couple of years, as a stronger WordPress ecosystem begins to take shape within campuses.”<br /><em>— Anand Upadhyay, Student Club Mentor</em></p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As more students get involved and take ownership of these spaces, WordPress Student Clubs can continue to open pathways to learning, leadership, and community participation. For campuses, they offer a way to keep the momentum going after Campus Connect. For the broader project, they represent another step toward welcoming more students into the WordPress open source ecosystem. To follow this work and explore how it connects with the wider community, readers can look to <a href="https://wordpress.org/education/campus-connect/">WordPress Campus Connect</a>, <a href="https://events.wordpress.org/">WordPress Meetups</a>, and other education and community initiatives across WordPress.org.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em><strong>Note: </strong>Much of the credit belongs to <a href="https://profiles.wordpress.org/webtechpooja/">@webtechpooja</a> (<a href="https://profiles.wordpress.org/webtechpooja/">Pooja Derashri</a>) for help in writing this piece.</em></p>



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<p>Growing up in the 80s, the answer was obvious. A hero was the figure who strode across cinema screens with fire in their eyes, the angry young man who fought the system with bare fists, who spoke truth to power and packed off the villains. Bold, loud, very gendered. The archetype was clear: stand with the people, defy authority, be ruthlessly honest, and win.</p>



<p>· · ·</p>



<p>In 2015, a message arrived in my WordPress Slack. The opener was disarmingly direct:</p>



<p>&#8220;Hi, there. Do you know who I am?&#8221;</p>



<p>I replied, honestly: &#8220;Nope.&#8221;</p>



<p>&#8220;Rock on! I hope to change that. My name is Topher, and I am working on a cool WordPress project!&#8221;</p>



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<p>That project was HeroPress. And just like that, Topher pulled me into an orbit I have never quite left. The orbit of planet HeroPress.</p>



<p>I always figured HeroPress as an archive, a living oral history of ordinary people and their relationships with WordPress. A catalog of people and their journeys through anxieties, migrations from smaller to larger worlds, their small and big wins.</p>



<p>By 2015, I was not any sort of angry young man. I was not raging against any machine. What possible heroism could I claim? </p>



<p>But Topher has always understood something more nuanced than the cinematic archetype: that the first act of speaking for others is learning how to speak for yourself. Telling your story as worthy of an audience was the first important step. </p>



<p>HeroPress was built on that belief. He gave people a platform and declined to editorialise. He let each voice arrive in its own register, its own cadence, its own dialect of living that story. Then he called the essayists a hero and meant it!</p>



<p>South Asia took to this immediately. A remarkable number of the earliest essays came from India. Topher celebrated each of them. He did not curate them into a brand. He simply made room. He also travelled to India once. The only time I met him.</p>



<p>Over the years that followed, Topher and I became friends in the way that only the internet makes possible and only genuine curiosity sustains. We have talked and laughed about politics, faith or lack of it, books, old computers, films, and the particular texture of a very slow dial-up internet. We became friends across seven seas.</p>



<p>But the thing I have heard most often from others is not about his wit or his enthusiasm, though both are abundant. It is something quieter. </p>



<p>Dozens of people from across the WordPress world, from India, from other countries Topher has likely never visited, have told me that when they were lost, when they were searching for a job or weathering a personal catastrophe or simply trying to find their footing, Topher had time for them. He listened. He did not solve everything. He just showed up and walked with them.</p>



<p>If WordPress were a world unto itself, conjured by a Tolkien-like imagination, Topher would be a great axe-wielding dwarf who simply walked with you for a while, just to make sure you were alright.</p>



<p>· · ·</p>



<p>Two weeks ago, I co-led WordCamp Asia in Mumbai. It was one of the largest WordPress conferences ever assembled. People I had not seen in years showed up. Stories entwined together in corridors and over at the coffee and tea counters. I met several people who missed Topher being around. Several dozens of us who have written on HeroPress their stories, and several dozens more who will write them in the future.</p>



<p>I stood on the stage and felt the weight of an open source community that had shaped the past decade of my life.</p>



<p>I thought of Topher more than once. Thought how much he would have loved being in Mumbai. I missed his presence in the particular way you miss someone whose absence you notice in the middle of a moment of joy.</p>



<p>A few days later, Topher checked in. Asked how WordCamp Asia had gone. Asked how I had felt about it. Then, almost as an afterthought, he asked whether I would write the 300th essay for HeroPress.</p>



<p>Three hundred, is a number with some weight, a milestone of this great project. An essay Topher should have written himself, looking back at a decade of great conversations and the people he came across. But Topher1Kenobe’s way, that is not! </p>



<p>He deflects the spotlight and so he handed this number to me, and I accepted. Because Topher is persuasive.</p>



<p>I am no longer the child who measured heroism by the arc of a punch. A hero is someone who shows up when someone needs you to, to listen without agenda, to celebrate people as they are rather than as you wish they were.</p>



<p>Topher has been doing this for a decade. Three hundred stories. Thousands of conversations and dozens upon dozens of friends.</p>



<p>So if you are reading this essay, let&#8217;s raise a toast to Topher DeRosia, the Hero of HeroPress, the axe wielding dwarf who walks beside you, the friend who checks in, the man who has made more heroes than he will ever count or take credit for. He has a story. </p>



<p>He has hundreds of them. And every single one belongs to someone else but now also to him, which is fantastic! </p>
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";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";s:5:"child";a:2:{s:0:"";a:5:{s:5:"title";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:124:"Gutenberg Times: Gutenberg Changelog #130 – WordPress 7.0, Gutenberg 22.9 and 23.0, WordCamp Europe, Block Themes and More";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:4:"guid";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:53:"https://gutenbergtimes.com/?post_type=podcast&p=45469";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:4:"link";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:59:"https://gutenbergtimes.com/podcast/gutenberg-changelog-130/";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:11:"description";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:61398:"<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In this 130th episode of the Gutenberg Changelog podcast, Birgit Pauli-Haack is joined by Tammie Lister to discuss the latest developments in WordPress, Gutenberg, and the broader ecosystem. The conversation opens with Tammie sharing insights from her new role at Convesio, where she works on product collaboration within hosting and payments.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The episode highlights Tammie’s upcoming WordCamp Europe talk, focusing on the concept of “human in the loop” with AI. She emphasizes the importance of integrating humanity into AI processes, ensuring that humans are involved throughout, not just at the beginning or end. Both speakers reflect on how AI empowers learning and creativity, with Tammy sharing personal stories about using AI for education and art.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A significant portion is devoted to the anticipated release of WordPress 7.0, which was delayed to accommodate more thorough testing for real-time collaboration features, especially in less powerful hosting environments. Birgit Pauli-Haack and Tammie commend the community for developing a comprehensive testing suite and discuss the challenges and importance of performance, infrastructure, and backward compatibility.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Other highlights include community plugin updates, especially around AI, collaborative editing with Claude by Gary Pendergast, and the growing list of AI providers and skills for WordPress. The duo reviews notable Gutenberg plugin updates (22.9 and 23.0), exploring enhancements such as improvements to the UI component packages, block library features, command palette, and upcoming media editing tools.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The episode wraps up with excitement about continued innovation, the empowerment AI brings to different skill levels, and the ongoing evolution of WordPress as a robust content management and collaboration platform.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/podcast/gutenberg-changelog-130/#shownotes">Show Notes</a> / <a href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/podcast/gutenberg-changelog-130/#transcript">Transcript</a></p>



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<li>Editor: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandy-reed/">Sandy Reed</a></li>



<li>Logo: <a href="https://markuraine.com/">Mark Uraine</a></li>



<li>Production: <a href="https://icodeforapurpose.com">Birgit Pauli-Haack</a></li>
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<p class="has-larger-font-size wp-block-paragraph" id="shownotes"><strong>Show Notes</strong></p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Tammie Lister</h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://profiles.wordpress.org/karmatosed/">WordPress</a> | <a href="https://x.com/karmatosed">X (former Twitter)</a> | <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/karmatosed.art">BlueSky</a></li>



<li>Website <a href="https://tammielister.com/">tammielister.com/</a></li>



<li>WordCamp Europe  <a href="https://europe.wordcamp.org/2026/session/human-in-the-loop-means-something/">Human in the loop means something</a></li>
</ul>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">WordPress 7.0 </h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/04/22/wordpress-7-0-release-party-updated-schedule/">WordPress 7.0 Release Party Updated Schedule</a></li>



<li><a href="https://github.com/WordPress/distributed-rtc-performance-testing">distributed-rtc-performance-testing</a> </li>



<li><a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/04/22/roster-of-design-tools-per-block-wordpress-7-0/">Roster of design tools per block (WordPress 7.0 edition)</a></li>
</ul>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Community Contributions</h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/building-a-block-theme-from-scratch-workshop-resources/">Building a block theme from scratch – Workshop resources</a></li>



<li><a href="https://pento.net/2026/04/10/claudaborative-editing-0-4-twice-the-fun/">Claudaborative Editing 0.4: Twice the fun!</a></li>



<li><a href="https://j.cv/ai-across-the-wp-ecosystem/">AI Across The WP Ecosystem</a></li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Gutenberg Releases</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/04/09/whats-new-in-gutenberg-22-9-8-april/">What’s new in Gutenberg 22.9? (8 April)</a></li>



<li><a href="https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/04/22/whats-new-in-gutenberg-23-0-22-april/">What’s new in Gutenberg 23.0? (22 April)</a></li>



<li><a href="https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/77479#top">Media Editor experiment: add experimental image editor and cropper</a></li>
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<p class="has-large-font-size wp-block-paragraph" id="transcript"><strong>Transcript</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack: </em>Welcome to our 130th episode of the Gutenberg Changelog podcast. In today&#8217;s episode, we will talk about WordPress 7.0, Gutenberg 22.9 and 23.0 WordCamp Europe and block themes and so much more. I&#8217;m your host, Birgit Pauli-Haack, curator at the Gutenberg Times and a full core contributor at the WordPress Open Source project sponsored by Automattic. And with me on the show is my longtime friend and regular guest Tammie Lister. And she&#8217;s a core committer, chief product officer at Convesio and was the co-lead of the first phase of Gutenberg. Tammie, it&#8217;s wonderful to have you in on the show.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Tammie Lister:</em> I&#8217;m so pleased to be here.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack:</em> Thank you. Thank you for the time. So how are you today?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Tammie Lister:</em> I&#8217;m great, thank you. How are you?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack:</em> I&#8217;m good, I&#8217;m good. You started a new job. So what are you working on in your new position?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Tammie Lister:</em> I&#8217;m incredibly lucky that I get to facilitate and collaborate on products within Convesio hosting, and we&#8217;re working on a range of different things. We work on both hosting and payments along with some other products. And I&#8217;m really excited to be able to do that and kind of grow with that team.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading">WordCamp Europe</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack: </em>That&#8217;s wonderful. Wonderful. Yeah. Well, congratulations. So. And you are also a speaker at WordCamp Europe. Your title is Human in the Loop means something and we probably learn what it means.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Tammie Lister:</em> Yeah. So we always kind of had this idea with AI that the human in the loop, maybe it&#8217;s just like the prompting that you start with doing and you&#8217;re like at the start of the being the human in the loop. And I think as kind of we&#8217;re learning to be with AI and we&#8217;re learning to see AI as more of integrated. My talk is about how when we use the term human in a loop and I think kind of people just drop it now into product making processes and they drop it into anything that they&#8217;re doing. It should be various points in that loop, should be where humans are not just at the start and then having something kind of chucked out of them by AI just produced. That&#8217;s not the human being actually in the loop. That&#8217;s the human being at the beginning and the end of the loop. Rather than being integrated. That&#8217;s kind of the one angle of it and the other is that AI really needs to kind of be integrated in our lives. It already is, but it actually needs to be integrated, not just forced and therefore it needs to learn to kind of integrate with us and it needs to learn to be with us. There are various technologies that are doing that and in that talk I&#8217;m going to kind of explore how that happens and how that happens from a product perspective as well.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack:</em> Yeah, well, that&#8217;s going to be really interesting because I, what I, my experience is more like the, all of a sudden the humans become the bottleneck and then some programmers try to work around that and say, okay, we need to get AI, be smarter, but you…</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Tammie Lister:</em> still do the opposite. I think if we take the best of humans and combine it with the best of AI, we have the best future.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack:</em> Yeah, I think so too. Yeah. Because humanity is all that&#8217;s left. Right. And that needs to serve that.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Tammie Lister:</em> And if we don&#8217;t have AI with that splash of humanity, one where some of us aren&#8217;t going to use it and we, we can evangelize as much for people to use it as possible, but people are going to have a bit of reaction to it and also it&#8217;s, it&#8217;s going to be kind of that friction when we do use it and going to be like talking to kind of a calculator or a fridge all the time. It&#8217;s not going to kind of. And I&#8217;m not talking about giving it a cute name or making it kind of that or anthem performance. I can never say that word, that word. That&#8217;s not what I&#8217;m talking about, talking about and talking about just being able to have a splash of humanity with it and, and how that AI can learn from us as much as we can learn from AI. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And we also, it&#8217;s that augmentation as part of it. So I think we&#8217;re all learning about how AI can be used both in part of our process as well and how it can make us better at what we do. And you know, there&#8217;s this kind of 10x all these kind of things. I think that&#8217;s quite a flippant thing because that&#8217;s like, well no, we were doing the best we could do before. It just means that we now have the abilities through doing this. So yeah, I&#8217;m kind of forming it at the moment and it&#8217;s going in lots of different angles and I&#8217;ve got to kind of try and take it in one straight angle. But I know for me and many other people, AI in particular the last year it&#8217;s been very empowering both from the work that they do and in the kind of personal life. So hopefully there&#8217;ll be some take home on things you can use as much as kind of sharing the maybe a more optimistic future perspective.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack: </em>Yeah. Yeah I feel the same way. I feel totally empowered to. Yeah. To submit PRs, create more documentation and all that and. And also for writing. Yeah. With English as a second language it&#8217;s so much richer when you learn from. From AI to kind of different angles and all that. So it&#8217;s a. It&#8217;s a really interesting.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Tammie Lister: </em>The point you said about learn from and I think that that&#8217;s something really important that we can learn from AI and sometimes we. I cannot remember. I was actually found an article I cannot remember again but there was an article about like it being unlocking education for people. And I know there&#8217;s like different conversations about where that is and where your sources are for that, but it actually can like the things that I have learned and the things that I have been able to expand my knowledge base with because I now have access to it that I didn&#8217;t have access research PA different things. I&#8217;ve been able to. I have one of these things I use in my open claw that&#8217;s called Explain this. It&#8217;s a skill but it explains it how I understand it. As for me which is a very unique way that I understand things. But it will say it like that. Then it will relate to the job I do. Then it will lead to the areas of interest that I have and I&#8217;ve refined that skill to talk to me. Not many people nobody else can do that and I hadn&#8217;t got that before so been able to do that and give it things initially do that and then help me break things down has been really really, really important to me.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack:</em> Yeah that&#8217;s the most. The application that I use it most is actually to learn things .</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Tammie Lister:</em> Explain this as I would understand this.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack: </em>So I. I had on my flight to. So I was in Costa Rica and I was on a flight that didn&#8217;t have any WI fi and But I still was able to. To take my laptop and open it up and ask a question because I had Olama installed and I had one of the. One of the LLMs there and I learned about Transformers and all that and you can actually ask it to explain it to me like I&#8217;m a five year old. And then it gets further and further. There is a whole education school out there that wants the kids to go and learn for themselves and not in a. In a complete setting. I think I would thrive in that because I could they had yeah. Dive deeper into topics that I&#8217;m interested in and never Come out. Yeah.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Tammie Lister:</em> I think even, even for me from personal, like creating art with it, doing all these kind of different things like it has been to me. Yeah. So I&#8217;m hoping like I&#8217;m still forming my talk because I&#8217;m a bit of a last minute in that sense. It&#8217;s not that last minute, but yeah, five weeks, right? Yeah.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack:</em> You always do your own pictures, right?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Tammie Lister:</em> Well, I may not. I don&#8217;t know.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack:</em> You may not.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Tammie Lister:</em> I&#8217;m curious about could, could I get AI to create like me? That&#8217;s something I&#8217;m exploring because it feels like it might be right if it took my pictures. If it took. I don&#8217;t know. I have not decided yet on that angle. So more to come on that I&#8217;ve been exploring how AI can take my art as a source. I already paint with AI what AI creates. I paint that. So the full circle might be that AI creates from my artwork.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack: </em>Interesting thing. Interesting. Yeah. </p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading">WordPress 7.0 / Announcements</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">All right, so let&#8217;s dive back to WordPress. We have a few announcements. One, the biggest one is last time we talked here on the podcast WordPress 7.0 still had was scheduled for April 9th. That obviously didn&#8217;t happen. And before we get into more details here, the good news, we have a new release date and updated information about WordPress 7.0. May 20th is the latest date. And I also put in the show notes the post that kind of announced that beta release candidate cycle resumes with the next release party that&#8217;s scheduled for May 8th at 1500 UTC. And then that kind of starts I think it&#8217;s two releases that are quasi beta and then two releases that are quasi release candidates. And also in that discussion, there&#8217;s also a discussion that the RTC performance testing script that automatically tests for possible architecture approaches for hostings is about to be released and I&#8217;ll share the link to the repository. Dorin, not everybody would need that, mostly hostings. But that was also the reason why things got a little bit delayed. So Tammie, I&#8217;m going to try to explain this, how I understood it and the reasoning behind it and you can correct me and elaborate what you feel is important. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So if I understood it correctly, the delay was actually requested by Matt, but in coordination with core committers and the hosting team, because WordPress 7.0&#8217;s main feature is a real time collaboration project, and collaborators worked on it for over a year and the goal was to get it into best shape in what it can be for the first release. But it had been a whole wide testing done but it was only on enterprise infrastructure. So with the inclusion into core it also needs to work in less powerful hosting environments and hosting companies didn&#8217;t have enough time or tools to actually test it. So during the release cycle there was this feedback that they needed more time and test the feature more so they can enable it for many, many clients. They couldn&#8217;t they needed to switch it off and that was not the purpose of that. It should be a wide enough application. So the team created a test suite for the hosting companies and also published a death note on how to create an external provider for this offloading of the resource heavy sync process. Because that&#8217;s all of a sudden you have not one person on the. On the screen, you have five maybe. And that increases stuff. Yeah. So that&#8217;s my understanding.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Tammie Lister:</em> Correct, it was also not necessarily the delay, but there were also kinds of pieces of it table and kind of all right, the pieces were kind of needed to be done or. Or were done and kind of like that. That has implications. I think the too long don&#8217;t read is real time collab is complicated. Real time collab is very complicated from an infrastructure perspective and we need to have thorough testing across every implementation. And one of the things which when you think about it, it&#8217;s for humans to do real time collaboration. But actually one of the most interesting things is not humans doing real time collaboration. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And actually now we have the testing suite we can actually test with not humans doing it. That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m kind of fascinated to do some of this testing and that can be even more load bearing. So if you think about like someone like I think one of the cases was like if it&#8217;s on a small hosting I only have one person. Well not if that one person gets very excited about agents because that person could have suddenly lots of agents even though their own like a tiny little bit of hosting and they&#8217;re not enterprise. They could have made themselves enterprise and they couldn&#8217;t have made themselves into that situation just by being at the forward of like agentic work. So we had that balance like on in 7.0 we&#8217;re promoting be forward with AI. Agentic is like a word. You might as well like to take a sip of tea every time you hit the word agentic. I don&#8217;t think alcohol would be super tissue.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack:</em> Oh, what a thinking game.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Tammie Lister:</em> I&#8217;d be tea drunk. I really would. But it. So people are going to want to push and test it. Right. So I think it is. I would much rather people were cautious with something that someone that works in hosting that would bring down hosting. But I think it is hard for everybody involved when we have to pause a release, when we have to say oops, we&#8217;re not doing it now. And oops is one way but hey, we&#8217;re not doing it now kind of help. It&#8217;s hard. People do not do this lightly. They do not say we&#8217;re not going to do release lightly. So, you know, yeah, there&#8217;s a lot to be kind of thought about that having been involved with one of the longest ones that was stopped before. It&#8217;s a lot for humans to have that. I love that we have a testing suite now. I love that we can have that. This feature is going to potentially in 7.1 and in the patches and in the point release afterwards. And I don&#8217;t want to be a doomsayer, but we&#8217;re going to have to adjust it, we&#8217;re going to have to perform it, we&#8217;re going to have to get that feedback. So it needs to be the best bet to go live with and then we need to take it from there. So. But this is now it&#8217;s in the best shape it could be, so it can kind of go from there.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack</em>: So. Yeah, yeah. And you just mentioned that there&#8217;s also for the updates and coordination, there&#8217;s an. There will be an extra table added to WordPress as well to manage that polling and the intermediate storage of things.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Tammie Lister:</em> That&#8217;s not a light thing to do that. That is like, like I, I said it very flippantly, but it&#8217;s not a flippant thing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack</em>: No, no. And there needs to be really thought process in there because it&#8217;s gonna be in WordPress for the next 20 years.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Tammie Lister:</em> That&#8217;s like building something to the house, right?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack:</em> Yeah. So you cannot just tear it down because you don&#8217;t like it anymore.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Tammie Lister: </em>No, that&#8217;s. That&#8217;s definitely.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack:</em> People build on it. Yeah. Yes. So May 20th is the next release date and whoever hasn&#8217;t tested their plugins and themes with a you get another. Almost a month of grace. Time to do it now. Yeah, don&#8217;t wait. Do it now. Sometimes I say don&#8217;t wait. Procrastinate now. But this is not the case here. No.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Tammie Lister:</em> And I think you really, if you don&#8217;t ever test your plugins on ever releases, test them on this one. Not just because of editing, but also because of the admin interface changes as well. Not changes in a big way, just in a. Just enough that maybe do some testing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack:</em> Yeah. And there&#8217;s Also the minimum PHP version is changed to 7.4. Have a bit of a look. Yeah.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Tammie Lister:</em> Just spend half an hour.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Birgit Pauli-Haack:</em> Yeah. See if it blows up or not. Yeah. And there&#8217;s only a late addition to the developer notes. The roster of design tools per block that have been since 6.7 I think it&#8217;s now updated to version WebPR 7.0. And one of my next projects is that I create. Create a plugin that actually has a few more table block features. So it doesn&#8217;t. Is so yeah rudimentary anymore but especially the sticky header when you have 90 rows in a table. Yeah, that would be really helpful.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Tammie Lister:</em> Yeah I love that because the table block to me is one that I always end up having to do custom work on or I have to do it. If anything in my work is going to take whenever I&#8217;m doing don&#8217;t always do sites but whenever I do do sites if there&#8217;s anything comparison tables such a common thing we end up doing. Right. Like or even if you&#8217;re going to do like pricing or comparison whatever you&#8217;re going to do at most sites at some point if they&#8217;re a SaaS or if they&#8217;re a product based they&#8217;re going to have something like that on. You always have to do something with CSS on there or even down to like how you put image. Putting images inside there and it&#8217;s a bit nickety and all those kind of ways.</p>
